Whats the best lie you had a gun seller tell you

[skeet king]

I was going to buy a tc icon I had cabelas hold for me I walked in and asked to see the gun, and the guy hands me a .270 (I had them hold a 30.06) and when I point out the mistake, he tells me they are the same thing... I just turned and left
I should have thanked the bum, cause I went to gander and the nice guy behind the counter sold me a beautiful savage 114

 

[X-Rap]

Had a buyer ounce tell me he was California bound to meet Steven Seagal for some tactical training.

 

[Maverick223]

Had a buyer ounce tell me he was California bound to meet Steven Seagal for some tactical training.

Don't let Stevie hear ya...he's a bad day maker...

 

[Maverick223]

When asked to be put on the waiting list for a Kahr P380..."Kahr doesn't make a 380, you mean a Kel-Tec P3AT". Hindsight, it is somewhat true...will they ever make more than one 380? Kahr website: expected delivery..."June 08'...August 08'...Last Quarter 08'...January 09'...Sometime in 2009...Maybe in 2012...Did We Say .380?..." :banghead:

 

[22lr]

Best I had was a dealer stopped me and asked me if I was selling my Henry 22lr (I did a few shows later) he proceded to offer $150 in trade or $120 cash. I looked at his table and saw a marlin lever 22lr that someone had painted the stock (a nice poo brown color), had hammer marks all over the receiver (that were really deep) and the action was quite stiff. I asked him how much and he offered a strait trade I said I could do a trade + $100 he countered with the gun +20 (my Henry was LNIB) I thanked him left and sold it for $210 cash.


Ive been told that its ok to make my Sigma automatic, kinda just chuckled as I walked away (quickly).

Most guys I deal with are honest hard working people who will sell a gun but not until you know what your getting.

 

[desidog]

I had some pawnshop guy in Hailey, ID tell me that it was "common for competition shooters to cut down fluted barrels...so they're shorter and lighter...but they don't lose accuracy since the fluting makes the barrel more accurate." I said, "wow, have any pictures of that?" ...nope.

 

[f4t9r]

I have heard some good ones. Here are some repeated ones.
I have only shot it a couple times.
They only made a limited suppy of this model (Marlin model 60).
Like new in the box in some cases is way off.

 

[22lr]

O ya I remember a funny one. I was looking at a guy who had a lot of collectibles (real stuff) from the civil war, Indian wars. So im talking to him about some of his stuff and he pulls out some war clubs, he hands me one and goes it was used to brain a soldier and proceeds to show me some white stuff in a crevice calling it dried brains. I look at him kinda half way believing him and half way thinking he was BSing me. He starts laughing kinda hard and said he had wanted to tell someone that for a long time (I was new at the game still). We had a good laugh and while I didn't buy anything (that club was going for about 2k if memory is correct) I still go by his booth every show and chew the fat. Great guy.

 

[usp9]

At a gun show I was looking at a CZ82. It looked like it lost a long fight with a weed-whacker, or was worn in a concrete holster. Anyway, the seller walks up and says what a nice gun it is and then says "It's new". "New", I ask??, "Yes, new in box", he huffed!

Best laugh I had that day for sure.

 

[GlenJ]

At the last show here I saw an $1100 price tag on an Romy AK-47. That's a pretty big lie to me!!!!!!!!

 

[45crittergitter]

Here's a couple more:

Pinaire (spelling?) Gunsmithing's ads actually state that fluting a barrel increases rigidity. As a professional engineer, I hereby call them on that lie.

Once a gunshow dealer tried to convince me that a Benelli auto shotgun was essentially a blowback action - that the bolt was unlocked and was pushed back to operate by the recoil of the shell.

Like someone before said, you can't fix stupid.

 

[larry_minn]

With regards to "fluting" it does increase rigidity of barrel VS a thin barrel alone. So for the WEIGHT savings (vs bull barrel) it is more rigid then pencil barrel. (Plus you get cool looking cooling fins.)

Regards the mod 10 bored out to .357mag. Why was ATF/Police called??? I recall a gun rag where they (I actually think it was Mass Ayyobe) (sp) Long before they made .357mag snub nose on K frame he had one bored out. IIRC there was a limit on ammo as too long a over all length could cause problems. And the warning of damage to frame in large number of rds.

I can buy conversion "case" to fire .22lr thru any .223/5.56 chamber. I have seen similar cases for 308 and 06 (I forget what pistol shell they fired)
I understand many of the wildcat major calibers started out with overboreing existing chambers.. In the 38 to .357 you don't thin chamber walls just take down the front ridge .

 

[hksw]

Pinaire (spelling?) Gunsmithing's ads actually state that fluting a barrel increases rigidity. As a professional engineer, I hereby call them on that lie.

Depends. Certainly, taking a tube and grinding or cutting furrows into it will weaken the structure. That is, start with the finished OD, cut grooves into it.

However, if you start off with a larger diameter and cut the grooves down to the OD above, it certainly would strengthen it. Or, (starting with the larger OD) you fluted down so that the weight (or volume if made of the same material) of the unfluted tube is identical to that of the fluted one, rigidity of the fluted on should be slightly greater.

The Benelli (non-M4) is not a simple blowback but is not too far from it. It is indeed operated by the recoil. Where it deviates is that the bolt carrier, due to it's mass, stays stationary relative to the rest of the gun for a very brief moment under recoil and keeps the action close for that time to allow pressures to drop. (Similar to other operating systems like most handguns 9mm and larger where the opening of the action is delayed very slightly somehow.) The gun must see a certain amount of recoil for the action to work correctly, though. That is why there are problems with attaching all types of do-dads to the inertia recoiled Benellis which weighs them down and dampens recoil.

 

[eye5600]

The Benelli (non-M4) is not a simple blowback but is not too far from it.

I would say there is a pretty big difference between a blowback action where gas blows thru the action and a recoil action where it does not. Besides which a shotgun is much to big to use anything called "blowback" without some other adjective.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

It looked like it lost a long fight with a weed-whacker, or was worn in a concrete holster

That's funny right there!

Pinaire (spelling?) Gunsmithing's ads actually state that fluting a barrel increases rigidity. As a professional engineer, I hereby call them on that lie.

That is exactly correct. Fluting "a barrel" - taking a GIVEN barrel of X thickness and fluting THAT barrel will make it less rigid, not more rigid, than it was before the fluting. Always. (Although the "rigidity to weight ratio" may be improved). The engineer knows of what he speaks. I'm sure he also understands the completely different situation of comparing a fluted thicker barrel of Y WEIGHT with an unfluted thinner barrel barrel of Y WEIGHT, the fluted will be more rigid. But that's apples & oranges from what he said. I think y'all know that, but just clarifying.

 

[Maverick223]

What we need is flutes...

that extend all the way to the butt end of the chamber...umm...for strength.

Pinaire (spelling?) Gunsmithing's ads actually state that fluting a barrel increases rigidity. As a professional engineer, I hereby call them on that lie.

Plus you get cool looking cooling fins.

As an civil engineer myself, the strength to weight ratio is greater, but at the expense of strength.

Also most fluted barrels are on long rifles and sniper rifles...the cooling capacity of a fluted barrel is less than a bull barrel due to the lesser mass. The fluted barrel does have superior radiant efficiency, it dissipates the heat to the air more rapidly, and thereby is more practical for a automatic firearm or semi. When used in this manner it would facilitate cooling to the air for rapid fire (note rings on Thompson SMGs and cooling shrouds on Heavy MGs). A long rifle is definitely not the most practical application for this innovation.

 

[hksw]

I would say there is a pretty big difference between a blowback action where gas blows thru the action and a recoil action where it does not.

I don't think I've ever seen simples blowbacks that use small caliber relatively low pressure pistol rounds (e.g,, .22 lr, .25ACP, .32 ACP, .380 ACP, etc.) use the gas instead of the recoil to work the action. Could you provide a platform example of one?

 

[Maverick223]

Plus you get cool looking cooling fins.

If we could only make water jackets look cool. Any1 want a water jacket for a Win. M70...with flutes!

ADVERTISEMENT: Uhmm...The flutes impart a greater moment of inertia to the water containment structure...to uh...better contain the cooling medium. For best results use our specially designed solution that is liquid at standard temperature & pressure and retains negligible compressibility in a liquid state.

 

[Maverick223]

Really?

I can buy conversion "case" to fire .22lr thru any .223/5.56 chamber.

Larry: Where...how much...made by whom? Or was this another lie? I'd like to get one for my M17S if it'll work. I have seen em' for a M16/AR15/M4, for $$$, but nothing else. Thanks, Mav.

 

[larry_minn]

I have not seen them (IN person) for over a decade. What it looked like was a 5.56 brass made out of metal. You unscrew it about a inch (IIRC) below the shoulder. You insert a .22lr with lead toward front. The primer pocket was a rod that goes to edge of .22lr. They were $12 each in mid 90s...

 

[JWF III]

blowback action where gas blows thru the action and a recoil action

All Benellis (with possible exception to the M4, I don't know about that one) use absolutely no gas to function the action. They are 100% recoil operated, or as they call it "Inertia Driven". Shotguns (and any other platform) that use gas, in any way, function on a gas operated action.

The easiest way to see a big difference. Take 2 newer (not broken in) shotguns, 1 gas operated and 1 recoil (inertia) operated. Fire 1 oz. skeet loads from each. But when shooting the guns, do not shoulder the gun. Shoot from "the hip", and don't grasp the wrist of the buttstock with your trigger hand. A gas operated shotgun will function flawlessly, while a recoil operated shotgun will jam. The recoil operated gun requires that it be shouldered to provide some force for the recoil to push against. With the gun shouldered, The "weakest link" from the pressure pushing against the bolt face, to the ground (where recoil stops) is the action. Without the weapon being shouldered, the weakest link is the force that the gun is recoiling against.

I don't think I've ever seen simples blowbacks that use small caliber relatively low pressure pistol rounds (e.g,, .22 lr, .25ACP, .32 ACP, .380 ACP, etc.) use the gas instead of the recoil to work the action. Could you provide a platform example of one?

I'm not perfectly clear on what you're asking here. If you want gas operated firearms in those cartridges, I can't give you any. Maybe some new design? If you want blowback operated (some of these may actually be a retarded blowback); Ruger Mark I, Mark II, Mark III, Walther PP, PPK, PPK/S, P22, Glocks (yes they make a .380), Baby Brownings, Colt Pocket Pistol, Colt Woodsman, CZ 27, Jennings, Davis. With more time (and a book to help my memory), many more could be named. AFAIK every semi-auto pistol ever designed (and produced) has been a blowback action. There could be a gas operated pistol out there (not counting ARs or AKs as pistols), but I couldn't name even one. As stated elsewhere most of them use some kind of retarded blowback. Meaning that the barrel is locked in place for a split second before it unlocks to allow the slide to move rearward. (.22 lr pistols are the only ones that are not slowed in this manor.

Wyman

 

[Maverick223]

Thanks...

for the info.

You insert...with lead toward front

Wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[Bill2e]

Pre-Election. Big retailer had a table full of overpriced AR's

Stag (or the like) with a Green Laser on the verticle forgrip.

Nice looking package, but for $1500 I was not really interested.

Anyway he proceeds to tell me that the Laser for grip was worth $500.

I put it down and said then somebody is going to get a nice deal on a rifle, just not me.

 

[Maverick223]

There is...

There could be a gas operated pistol out there

A couple off the top of my head: Desert Eagle and Wildey, however IMHO they should be considered carbines due to their excessive size and weight.

 

[sharkhunter2018]

should be considered carbines due to their excessive size and weight.

Do what?

Add a stock and you have a carbine. But till then, they can't be and never will be considered a carbine. Hold it your hand, you shoot it...therefore they are indeed handguns.

Best lie? I had a guy try to tell me that the PSL sitting on the rack was a Dragunov. I told him he was full of **** and that the two don't even take the same mags, have a different shaped safety lever and in general really have nothing in common except their intended purpose and their looks. He didn't say anything about it after that .