Whats the best lie you had a gun seller tell you

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I'm not perfectly clear on what you're asking here. If you want gas operated firearms in those cartridges, I can't give you any. Maybe some new design? If you want blowback operated (some of these may actually be a retarded blowback); Ruger Mark I, Mark II, Mark III, Walther PP, PPK, PPK/S, P22, Glocks (yes they make a .380), Baby Brownings, Colt Pocket Pistol, Colt Woodsman, CZ 27, Jennings, Davis. With more time (and a book to help my memory), many more could be named. AFAIK every semi-auto pistol ever designed (and produced) has been a blowback action. There could be a gas operated pistol out there (not counting ARs or AKs as pistols), but I couldn't name even one. As stated elsewhere most of them use some kind of retarded blowback. Meaning that the barrel is locked in place for a split second before it unlocks to allow the slide to move rearward. (.22 lr pistols are the only ones that are not slowed in this manor.

Wyman
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The question refers back to the post above it by eye5600 requesting additional information to the poster's reply,

I would say there is a pretty big difference between a blowback action where gas blows thru the action and a recoil action where it does not.
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I've never seen a gas op simple blowback before. There are plenty of recoil operated simple blowbacks including the ones you listed plus many many more. (In short, I agree with your post.)

The Benelli M4 is gas op.
 
I've never seen a gas op simple blowback before. There are plenty of recoil operated simple blowbacks including the ones you listed plus many many more.
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I'm confused. I have blowback, gas operated, and recoil operated guns. Three different systems. I can't visualize a "recoil operated simple blowback." A blowback action operates as chamber pressure drives the cartridge case back against the breechface as it is driving the bullet out the barrel. Recoil not involved. Although Beretta did at one time call the Model 92 "delayed blowback" in company advertising.
 
When I was buying a Colt Mustang a couple of weeks ago, after the dealer came down to $650 for it, his buddy mentions they have a standing offer of $900 from another dealer for the Mustangs.

Well then *** were you even bothering to ask $700 for them?
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Maverick - Yea, I'm aware of sarcasm. Use it quite often, but you know how trying to decipher text is.

In my defense, I had just woke up so get off me.:D

Maybe next time you're being sarcastic, you could learn to insert one of these ":rolleyes:" :neener::neener:
 
Bought a Taurus .22 mag Ultralite for a female family member. Taurus .22 cal revolvers have a 12 lb DA trigger pull unlike their larger caliber brothers.
Gave it to an "expert gunsmith" friend of a friend for a trigger job, $45 he said.
Got it back and the cylinder wouldn't open with the muzzle pointed down. He said that Taurus revolvers didn't have a "firing pin return spring" and you had to keep the muzzle pointed up when opening and closing the cylinder so the firing pin wouldn't hit.
I knew this was bs but paid the now $90 bill, he said he polished this and that, etc., etc...Took off the side plate and cleared the firing pin well of metal shavings and metal dust, cleaned off and lubed the non-existent firing pin return spring, put the sideplate back on and went to the range.
Now it would only fire about 4-6 rds from the 8 shot cylinder. Called "Lenny the gunsmith" up and explained the situation. He said I must have done something to the revolver and it worked fine when he finished with it. I mentioned the "non-existent firing pin return spring" and he hung up and never answered his phone again.
After replacing all of the springs it still wouldn't fire correctly. I sent it back to Taurus with a note what had happened fully expecting to pay a hefty bill. Taurus rebuilt the revolver to factory new, reinstated the factory warranty all at no charge
 
Overheard dealer telling this guy that Glocks are an inferior designed handgun - since there is no safety and that the gun could AD at any moment.

Then a few moments later the same dealer is telling the same guy how superior Glocks are because most law enforcement have gone to using them.

I just chuckled and walked away. What an idiot.
 
i had a guy tell me laminate stocked guns are cheaper and weaker than synthetics. and one guy tell me he gets 4500 fps out of a 25-06 with 75grain b.t.
 
Cabelas Lehi Ut

I was in Cabelas with a friend this weekend helping him choose his first handgun. I stood at the counter as countless noobs handled the hardware and I listened to a couple of the sales staff give the schpeel to these people who of course didnt know any better. In this day and age you would think that Cabelas could be held civilly liable for the Bullsh*t that there employees are feeding to the customers! Amongst information so false and dangerous that I will not repeat it on this forum, I heard that "Americans are born with a natural angle in their wrists that makes the Glock grip angle seem unnnatural" as well as "The slimline Glocks are very popular in all calibers" All ONE caliber! (.45 Model 36) Wouldnt you get tired of hearing yourself repeat what you HAVE to know is Crap? If you are looking at every model Glock available in front of you and only one is single stack mag and narrow, could you deduct that? Also, Did you Know that "every person who carries concealed should have a Laser on their gun"? SOS pepole!:banghead:
 
"ALL AR's REDUCED"...
cheapest being around $1650.
"DUE TO THE CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE..." we can charge $375 for 500 rounds of Federal XM-193. I know, a couple weeks ago it was only $210.
 
JWF III, if what you say about the inertia system is true, then how done Tom Knapp and Tim Bradley can do all of this? They are shooting off the shoulder too
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They also grip the wrist of the shotgun, and have the shotgun pushed forward in front of them. (You will notice that their forearm is closer to parallel to the stock than perpendicular.) Doing this gives enough force for the gun to recoil against.

What I'm talking about doing is hold the gun with your off hand by the forearm. To pull the trigger, put your finger in the trigger guard and do not grip the buttstock. (Similar to bump firing a rifle.)

Wyman
 
the cooling capacity of a fluted barrel is less than a bull barrel due to the lesser mass
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I wouldnt think that the mass would matter as much as the surface area. I would think that a barrel with more surface area exposed would be able to cool faster than a barrel with less,
 
the cooling capacity of a fluted barrel is less than a bull barrel due to the lesser mass
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It's probably true for the first couple of shots. More mass = more heat capacity at the same temp. But more surface area will mean for a given temp, it should cool quicker.
 
They also grip the wrist of the shotgun, and have the shotgun pushed forward in front of them. (You will notice that their forearm is closer to parallel to the stock than perpendicular.) Doing this gives enough force for the gun to recoil against.
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Not to belabor the point, but I thought it was the other way around: the Benelli "Inertia Driven" shotguns won't cycle if the butt is against a solid object, like a post.
 
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I wouldnt think that the mass would matter as much as the surface area. I would think that a barrel with more surface area exposed would be able to cool faster than a barrel with less
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For a repeating arm yes...for a long gun/sniper rifle no. The barrel should never need to radiate the heat quickly due to the infrequency of the shots.

It's probably true for the first couple of shots. More mass = more heat capacity at the same temp. But more surface area will mean for a given temp, it should cool quicker.
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As stated in my original post...
The fluted barrel does have superior radiant efficiency, it dissipates the heat to the air more rapidly, and thereby is more practical for a automatic firearm or semi. When used in this manner it would facilitate cooling to the air for rapid fire
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...however if radiant cooling efficiency was paramount then barrels should be finned and aluminum plated (better radiant efficiency than copper or silver). :neener:
 
Looking at a mauser that had seen better days. Had so much slop in the bolt action. The bolt was loose as a goose. "Oh there is nothing wrong with that". After I pointed it out to him. :rolleyes: I have seen much better mausers in my day. Worn out lugs are what they are.
 
I have one shop that I stop in on occaision and if there is a used gun I am interested in I'll ask them what the low dollar is. The owner will always start whining how he isn't making any money on these guns and he just can't come down on the price. I know that they are probably doubling their money on used guns, so, I always find this a bit irritating.
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Yep the day before they offered me 1/2 blue book value for a used gun, which is what they always do. So you know they only paid 1/2 of the sale price for any used gun in the case.
 
Take 2 newer (not broken in) shotguns, 1 gas operated and 1 recoil (inertia) operated. Fire 1 oz. skeet loads from each. But when shooting the guns, do not shoulder the gun. Shoot from "the hip", and don't grasp the wrist of the buttstock with your trigger hand. A gas operated shotgun will function flawlessly, while a recoil operated shotgun will jam. The recoil operated gun requires that it be shouldered to provide some force for the recoil to push against. With the gun shouldered, The "weakest link" from the pressure pushing against the bolt face, to the ground (where recoil stops) is the action. Without the weapon being shouldered, the weakest link is the force that the gun is recoiling against.
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That's pretty much true for most autoloading handguns (delayed recoil) and some recoil operated long guns, but is pretty much the opposite of true for the Benelli system. Those guns will not work if the gun itself cannot move rearward a bit. The Benelli system is much more reliable "from the hip" than on the shoulder with light loads. That's because the gun is free to recoil, a requirement with that system. Read your manual.


As far as the fluting for those who aren't knowledgeable, if fluting makes a barrel stiffer, then just keep on fluting it more and more, making it stiffer and stiffer, until there's no steel left, and see how stiff it became....
 
During the 80s I was shopping for a hi-capacity 9mm Pistol, the dealer told me that shooting two consecutive 15 round magazines causes this particular make of pistol to overheat and jam. :what:

It was a Beretta 92, never got one, but still can't believe anyone can utter such nonsense.
 
but is pretty much the opposite of true for the Benelli system. Those guns will not work if the gun itself cannot move rearward a bit.
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Read your manual.
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Been around a good many of them. And each that was tried would not function without an opposing force. Maybe everyone that I've tried this with has been a lemon. If that's the case, Benelli's are trash because I've yet to see one work as is stated in the manual. Glad I still refuse to own one.

Wyman
 
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