What's The Best Way To Carry A Handgun On A Bike?

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And if you happen to plug someone's registered hunting dog they have about $5000 in you are going to be absolutely astonished at how bad your life gets and how fast it gets there.

I have about this much tied up in my lab....he DOES NOT go out w/o a leash on.... the above poster said the dogs were loose.... NO ONE that I know with high dollar hunters lets them "loose" near roadways....

The way I see it, if I'm stupid enough not to keep an eye on my dogs, I deserve to lose them....
 
Whew ! :eek: Probably got nailed so fast it wouldn't have mattered if he was "carrying" or not !

Was riding my Kaw KZ-650 in Custer National Park - about 40mph - when I came around a little knoll and there were about 30 Bison standing on and beside the road. Barely got stopped just a few feet short of hitting one - and then was sitting there wishing my bike been made with a "reverse" gear... or a Tommy gun.:eek: The Bison looked unhappy and, thus motivated, I got turned around and outtathere faster than I've ever thought it possible. Didn't take but about an hour to get my heart started again. :eek:
 
"The way I see it, if I'm stupid enough not to keep an eye on my dogs, I deserve to lose them...."

Well Quak... you get to choose your attitude about your dogs and if you don't mind losing them it's your business.
But a judge is still not going to believe someone had the right to shoot your dog no matter what you think and the cyclist who does is still going to receive a large dose of consequences from the judge, and maybe worse from the lawyer of an owner who doesn't feel the way you do.

And anyway -

Dog Shoots Man in Self-DefenseThursday, September 09, 2004

AP - PENSACOLA, Fla. — A man who was trying to shoot seven puppies was shot himself when one of the dogs made the .38-caliber revolver discharge, deputies said.

Jerry Allen Bradford, 37, of Pensacola, was charged with felony animal cruelty, the Escambia County Sheriff's Office said Wednesday.

Bradford was being treated at an undisclosed hospital for the gunshot wound to his wrist, said sheriff's Sgt. Ted Roy.

Bradford said he decided to shoot the 3-month-old puppies in the head because he couldn't find another home for the shepherd-mix dogs (search), according to the sheriff's office.

On Monday, he was holding two puppies, one in his arms and another in his left hand, when the dog in his hand wiggled and put its paw on the trigger, making the gun discharge, the sheriff's report said.

The revolver and a rifle were seized from the home, deputies said.

Deputies found three of the puppies in a shallow grave outside Bradford's home, Roy said. The other four appeared to be in good health and were taken by Escambia County Animal Control (search), which planned to make them available for adoption.



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I think a bike and a rider are too easily separated so I always dress as I usually do - cargo shorts or jeans and a t-shirt or sweatshirt - when riding and carry at 4:00 with my CTAC. I have no illusions about the fact that I am no pro at 250 lbs on my $200 bike. The fancy garb is not for me but the security of my regular carry gun physically attached to me in it's regular place is.
 
RE: dog shoots man in self defense

The situation where a guys decides to 'euthanize' a litter of puppies is a totally different situation from a dog or pack of dogs running out in pursuit of a pack of cyclists riding on a public roadway. You don't own that road; the taxpayers do. Your dog has about as much right to harrass passing traffic as you do, which is none. Try standing on the side of the road and throwing sticks into the spokes of passing cyclist and see how long it takes for the sherrif's deputy to show up. Dogs are the responsibility of their owners and thereby so are their actions. Would you hold the same standard to a dog attack on pedestrains or runners/joggers travelling the same road? If so, what's the difference? If not, there inlies your prejudice.

A person on a bicycle has just as much right to protect himself as anyone else. Sporting spandex and mounting a $2500 bianchi doesn't negate your rights to self defense. I'd love to argue this case in court. People ride in the country because riding in the city is a deathwish and there's a light about every 200 pedal strokes whereas in the country, there is far less traffic, the road tends to be in better condition, and the distance between stop signs/traffic lights is measured in miles rather than city blocks.

And if you think this isn't an issue, I've got some scar tissue I'd like to show you. Fact is that 'bubba' thinks that the 'fancy boys in their skinny breeches' look funny and are worthy of their ridicule, abuse and assault.

Cyclists ride every saturday and sunday mornings and are typically gone by mid-afternoon. Country folk on the popular routes know this. Wrangle your mutts and let the 'fancy boys' ride their bikes and when supper time comes your can let your mutts back out.
 
Gotta post on this one

I live in outside of Topeka, Ks. I have been run into by two cyclist while walking, hit once by one while getting the mail, and been stalled on a road and laughed at when they where coverring both lanes to keep me from passing, when two of them did not get out of the way of an on coming car. Yup hood ornaments. I sat there and waited to tell the Sherriff exactly what they where up to, and yes they all got tickets. I think that around here if you cant keep up with the old timer driving a Galaxy 500 at 30 mph you need to make some room. My neighbors ride Harleys and they tell me one of the things they do is toss tennis balls at the spokes of rude cyclist or sticks. This may sound callous but after what I have seen and put up with I think cyclist should be confined to training/ riding in the desert.
 
It seems the thread has gotten just a little off topic. That seems to happen quite a lot.:evil:

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So your biker friends just decide which cyclists are rude and act and judge, jury, and executioner? sounds high road to me.. tossing sticks or tennis balls into the spokes of a cyclist doing 25 mph could put that guy in the hospital. That's assault. I've known people that have been put in the hospital by motorists and cases where people have been killed are not unheard of.

Think about the fact that that's a person on that bike, a fellow american, your neighbor. Wouldn't you feel like an ass if you decided to take out some road rage on a 'rude cyclist' only to find out that person was your doctor, dentist, lawyer, your boss. ??? your son, your daughter, your wife or husband???

If cyclists need to be relegated to riding in the desert, maybe we should decide that you can only practice your shooting out in the swamp. Take away someone's rights because it inconveniences you and someone will decide that what you do inconveniences them and they'll take your rights away..

funny how a bunch of rkba'ers want to curb the rights of cyclists to go and pursue their happiness in the way they see fit but you jump up and down and run around in tight little circles at the very suggestion that your gun rights might be curbed in the slightest of ways..

Don't be a hyppocrite, be an American. Stand up for someone else's rights and someone might stand up for yours one day.
 
Hi "Geo"...

You write... "Cyclists ride every saturday and sunday mornings and are typically gone by mid-afternoon. Country folk on the popular routes know this. Wrangle your mutts and let the 'fancy boys' ride their bikes and when supper time comes your can let your mutts back out."

LOLOLOL !! :D

That self-serving announcment that others must get out of your way is an absolutely perfect exhibition of the common cyclist "It's All about Me" attitude that generates so much hostility toward (and so little sympathy for) the cyclist clan.
You may think those "country folk" (that you so clearly look down upon ) need to cede their neighborhood to you and your cycling friends whenever you say so, but - inconceivable as this is - they actually might think differently.
How would you like it if those "country Folk" all came to your neighborhood to walk all their dogs and they told you that you had to "wrangle your children" and keep them in the house (in your own neighborhood) until they were done using your neighborhood to walk their dogs? And would you be the first person to City Hall crying for an ordinance to make the dog-walkers carry "pooper-scoopers"?

As I said in my first post - I, personally, think it is a bad idea for cyclists to "carry" and one major reason for that opinion is that the relationship between cyclists and the driving Public (and a lot of the rest of the Public) is already "too charged" as it is. For the cyclist to introduce a firearm into an already-volatile situation seems like a step in the wrong direction to me. It seems like an "escalation" when what is really needed is a de-escalation. It sounds like you want to carry a gun so you can enforce your self-given "right" to be rude to, and enforce your self-awarded "supremecy" over, all others. How would you like it if all the of hikers decided to "carry" so they could enforce their supremecy over cyclists ?

Everyone gets to decide the "carry-on-the-bike" matter their own way. But it sounds like a poor idea to me.


Local opinion may vary, of course. :cool:
 
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Shawnee,

No, It's not "all about me"; it just ain't all about you either. Law says a cyclist has just as much right to the road as anyone. In fact, the law says that's where cyclists are required to ride as opposed to sidewalks. I repeat, you don't own that road, the taxpayers do. and a dog owner is as responsible for what his dog does as he is for what his minor child does. And a dog can has no more 'right' to go out into a public road way and harrass cyclist as he does to go into the same road and harrass anyone else.. what's so hard abot that?

Are there rude cyclists out there that make people mad and abuse their right to the road? sure there are. but the same can be said about any group of road users; you just happen not to notice them as easily.

Inside all the lycra and spandex and inside that helmet is a human being. Hitting them with your truck, throwing something into his spokes, running them off the road, and throwing things out the window at them carries the potential of KILLING them. I've been in packs of cyclist out on country roads and there is rarely an incident between motorists and cyclists that isn't escalated by the motorist. A bike wieghs 20 pounds, that truck weighs 3500 pounds. Newton is not on the cyclists' side. It ain't a fair fight. In the Truck v. cyclist track record, truck is undefeated.

I'd venture a guess that the behaviour you consider 'rude' is from those that are new to the sport and haven't figured out that it's not in their interest to ride 3 and 4 abreast. Soon they'll figure it out. Either that or Darwin will get them sooner or later. But there's no way that even 20 cyclists should be in your way if they're riding like they should be, which is in a pace line. And on a road with shoulders there's no reason they should 'be in your way' at all. In what world is it that you live in that grants you the right to use your vehicle as a weapon against anyone? But if someone's riding a bike then it's open season, right? Talk about self serving. You sit in your driver's seat and act as judge and jury.

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Just up on Fox News is a story about a drunk driver that hit a cyclist and is reported to be laughing about the incident during a jail house phone call. Classy.. The man she hit was killed in the incident. It was reported that the woman was driving with a suspended license due to a prior DUI.

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Show some consideration for your fellow man. I don't look down on 'country folk' in general. I do not look favourably on the rowdy teens in the pick up truck who decides it's funny to hassle, honk at or pass threateningly close to a cyclist. It's bumpkinism at it's finest. That cyclist isn't doing anything to you; you just want to think he is.
 
I am not too keen on the concept of motorcycle riders deciding to hurl tennis balls and sticks at cyclists. Unless of course the motorcycle riders think it would be OK for me to hurl beer bottles and 2x4s at them when I am in my truck.

A little mutual courtesy goes a long way on the road.
 
No matter what The Law or your magazine says, cycle traffic mixed with auto/truck/Winnebago traffic poses a definite hazard and the allowing of that mix is wrong. Period.

If a legislature believes cyclists should be on the road then they need to come up with the money to build safe cycle lanes/areas. Period.

Fact is: cyclists don't "belong" on most of our current streets and roads one bit more than skate boards and motorboats belong there. Period.

No responsible person wants to be in an accident. They surely don't want to cause an accident and they certainly don't want or harm/kill someone. Surely an elderly person (like maybe one of your parents or grandparents) for whom loss of their driver's license may well mean loss of the ability to live in their independant home is terrified of anything (horse, cycle, ATV, Go-cart, motorcycle, large truck) that presents the chance of involving them in an accident.

But every time any driver comes upon a cyclist their alarm bells have to start clanging because they don't know what that cyclist is going to do right in front of them. And because they may not be able to see the cyclist well enough to get passed them at a safe, comfortable distance - for a variety of reasons (like the driver of a Winnebago up on Trail Ridge Rd. in Colorado, or reflection on their windshield, et al). The presence of that cyclist always makes the driving (of the vehicles the roads were designed for) hazardous and, to many, nerve-wracking.
How many times has it been most convenient for you to ride early or late in the day - when the sun is low enough to blind drivers with direct light or reflection ? How many times have you ridden East or West - during a lower Sun that may have made you virtualy invisible to people in cars until it may be too late for them to react safely to your presence ? How many times has Ethyl Schwartz, height 4'11", buzzed you in her Caddy - not from meaness - but because she can judge distance to large objects like parked cars but not as well the distance to small, moving unpredictable objects like a cyclist ? Should she be removed from the road just because you want to ride your bike where it really doesn't belong ? No. The local politicians should be hung for putting that small, quickly-moving, unpredictable vehicle on the same road with Ethyl !

It's not that those people "hate" cyclists or they are bad people - it's because the presence of a cyclist (or 50) presents them with an unaccustomed and/or dangerous situation for which they could face substantial consequences and they are not wrong to not want that.
I rode a motorcycle for 20 years and know exactly what you're talking about re: knuckleheads and people of lesser driving ability in cars. But the onus was on me to make sure I was safe just like it is when I'm on horseback and just like it's on YOU when you're riding your bike. The roads were not built for my horse, or your bike or someone else's ATV, or someone else's Boston Whaler. Period.

That's why I said earlier that cyclists, like hunters, really need to be policing their ranks with a vengeance. They need to learn and preach de-escalation, not escalation. They also should (IMHO) look for every opportunity to get legislatures and local governments to provide safe cycing areas, even if it means retrofitting some current roads.
Yes, I know that can be a tough effort - thank God The Minority doesn't rule everything - yet. But it is the only truly good solution.

All things considered, I still have to stand by the position that a cyclist who "carries" is very probably making a mistake that exposes them to an unacceptable level of risk. Cyclists had better reallize the courts recognize "road rage" as punishable regardless of what vehicle one was driving, AND regardless of who got hurt the worst !!! If you open up on, or even threaten somneone with a gun, after they ran you off the road it is going to be YOU taking showers with prison soap. I think cyclists and CCW-types also need to realize what the Anit-gun media is going to do about the third time some hot-headed cyclist pulls a gun on somebody.

Local opinion may vary. :cool:
 
Shawnee,

Passing off your opinion as fact doesn't make it fact. It's still opinion. If you think that the 'legislature' needs to address this issue, then write your congressman. Don't take it out on people just trying to get into or stay in shape.

I suppose we'll agree that we stand on opposite sides of this issue. Carrying a gun brings with it a terrible responsibilty that each must manage on his own. I don't and probably never will carry while I'm riding for my own reasons but if someone thinks they need to carry one while riding, I'll not be the one to tell him he can't or shouldn't.

As for 'bike lanes', I think they're the worst thing ever for cyclists. They are rarely well enough maintained as to be safely navigable and futher entrenches the notion that cyclists don't belong on the roadways. What's more they take lane space away from the main lanes which further aggitates the feelings of motorists when they see 8 ft of lane that 'no one is using' and that 'my tax dollars paid for'. All this goes to further entrench animosity towards cyclists and when they do see someone on their bike they manifest all that animosity into aggression towards the cyclist which inturn puts the cyclists into an us v them mentality.

And who is to pay for these bike lanes? More taxpayer money that people will see as special interest pork barrel waste that could be going towards any number of other 'more pressing' problems.

Finally old folks who can't safely drive shouldn'y be on the road. they're as much a danger to me on my bike as they are to you in your dually.

To equate a cyclist being on the road to a (what was it?) Boston Whaler is purposeful muddying of the waters in a debate you know you can't win. :cool:
 
I used to do a lot of cycling, and I often wondered -- here's a cyclist pumping his way up a hill, the sweat pouring off him. And a fat slob in a car comes up behind him -- and is annoyed because he has to tap on the brake to avoid killing a fellow human.
 
I used to do a lot of cycling, and I often wondered -- here's a cyclist pumping his way up a hill, the sweat pouring off him. And a fat slob in a car comes up behind him -- and is annoyed because he has to tap on the brake to avoid killing a fellow human.

Inconvenient, isn't it. What a hassle it must be.
 
No matter what The Law or your magazine says, cycle traffic mixed with auto/truck/Winnebago traffic poses a definite hazard and the allowing of that mix is wrong. Period.

If a legislature believes cyclists should be on the road then they need to come up with the money to build safe cycle lanes/areas. Period.

Fact is: cyclists don't "belong" on most of our current streets and roads one bit more than skate boards and motorboats belong there. Period.

I'll just agree to disagree with you on this one, no need to get into a flamefest here, I will simply say you are completely and totally wrong. To say what you say is like saying it is wrong to mix Winnebago and SemiTruck traffic on the same roads as compact cars, let alone throwing motorcycles into the mix.

Did you know that the first paved roads in this country were apparently paved in consideration of and for bicycle riders? Then along came the motorized vehicles and messed the whole plan up.

Chicken or egg, which came first? Doesn't matter because when it comes to dinner time either one will do. :evil:
 
Wow, the lack of tolerance for cyclists is amazing to me...but that's been well addressed by my fellow cyclists.

I ride to work everyday on my bike. I like it, and it's saving lots of energy and money.

I use a Camelbak rogue hydration backpack and carry my makarov in its bike tube pump pocket. I created a velcro retainer strap for it so it does not fall out. It is well protected, secure, and easy to reach for. I just pull up the backpack with my left hand and reach behind my back with my right hand.

I know there's tons of road rage against cyclists, which is one reason I carry. Another reasons is that we are incredibly vulnerable many times--out on the road in the middle of nowhere with no chance to escape an assault. How dare fellow RKBA people tell me that I cannot carry on my bike.:cuss:
 
Wow, the lack of tolerance for cyclists is amazing to me...but that's been well addressed by my fellow cyclists.
You just don't realize how annoying it is -- and how much effort it takes -- to lift one's foot off the gas pedal and tap on the brake.:barf:
 
Just because I know someone will demand "proof", here is Wiki-proof:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Roads_Movement

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And when I'm on my motorcycle on a holiday weekend on some back country road I just wish all those RV's would just take the highway or use the vehicle pullouts. :neener:

As far as getting back on topic goes, I think if I were to carry while on a bicycle I would opt for one of those top-tube hanging bags and just drop the pistol in there. Three or four rips of velcro and it is easy enough to take with me when I leave the bicycle, or at least it would be if I were to do that, which (Doyle be danged) isn't entirely an option in Wisconsin yet, hopefully soon, but not just yet.

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Bet you didn't know there was a Police Bicycle Store on-line, remember that next time any of you decide to hassle a cyclist on the road or trail. ;)

http://www.policebikestore.com/bags.htm
 
Lots of good suggestions. I carry either in the jacket pocket or in a modified shoulder rig I put together from various parts. But then again I've almost always got a jacket or cover shirt on when I ride. Cosmo don't do spandex ;-) Not at 10 below anyway.

I've actually carried my rifles quite a bit back and forth to the range for exercise. They ride well on a B.O.B. cart or on my custom made scabbard system:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz1IdG928ns
 
Fact is: cyclists don't "belong" on most of our current streets and roads one bit more than skate boards and motorboats belong there. Period

I actually have to wait for cars on the downtown streets more than they have to wait for me. I was just ringing my bell at some slow woman in an SUV this morning. Of course I stay off the main roads and highways unless I have a good right hand area or a bike lane. But I can get around on side streets extremely well, and indeed as fast or faster than a motor vehicle.

What's really hilarious is when some thimblebrain thinks they can pass me because I'm only going 15 in a 15 zone. I crank on the juice and they end up roaring through a stop sign at forty. One fellow who tried to pull that on an icy intersection last year and landed sideways in a ditch. That was pure poetry.
 
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