Dr.Zubrato
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Pertains to carbon, the elements, dings, and scratches on your pistols and rifles.
Recently for fun, I decided to give my firearms a light kick in the pants to show my love for them, and to see how far they will go with zero cleaning, and minimal lubrication.
Let my AR go a little over 2.2k rounds. First 1k fired over 2 day course, lubed three times with froglube,once before firing, at ~700 rounds, once again before putting it away for ~4 weeks. Next 1k rounds, lubed about every 400 rounds. Lubrication was applied with 2 drops of frog lube into the cam pin slot, and only once through the exhaust ports. Next time I will remember to add more lube through the exhaust ports.
Zero malfunctions, or loss of accuracy. Still ringing printer paper sized steel at 400-500m with boring predictability. For reference, I am shooting my handloads, 55gr FMJBT with 27.2gr CFE223 and an H2 buffer in a BCM LW middy.
When the rifle got too hot to hold(happened more than a few times), gave the barrel a light dunk in the pond
Wanted to push it further, but at this point I had carbon/froglube pushing itself out of most nooks/crannies of the rifle. And I mean it, operating the charging handle, getting a magwell grip, or even getting a proper cheekweld resulted in carbon gunk on my hands, face, and forearms where it shot out from between the receivers. The magazines around the feedlips and front spine were pretty nasty so I made a habit of smearing them on the grass.
Upon inspection when cleaning, one of the gas rings had thinned down, and either broke or burned away..
Still ran fine. For this AR it's about the 6-7K round mark I believe, so I replaced the gas rings and she's squared away.
I've taken my G19 to ~4-5k rounds, with incredibly boring reliability. Around every 500-600 rounds I take a cleaning brush with chore boy to the barrel for safety reasons, although I only get very minimal leading. Around this time I add 1 drop of froglube to the barrel lug/around the barrel where I'm holding it to clean it. My reloads are quite smokey, I cast and shoot my own 125gr lead reloads with 3.7-3.8gr titegroup to simulate my+P carry ammo, and tumble lube with 45/45/10.
To put it short, I would not shoot these at an indoor range, andi think it's hilarious seeing a glock look like it's shooting blackpowder cowboy action match, BUT I shoot for pennies per round and I can deal with the smoke for the trigger time I get.
At around the 3k round mark, the slide failed to lock back on an empty magazine. This happened again at the 4k round mark with a different magazine. No futher malfunctions after this point, but I did start receiving hot brass to the face pretty hard. Actually had a 9mm case head mark on my forehead I wasn't aware of for most of the day, sorta funny..
At this point, the glock 19 has had north of 10-12k cast +P reloads, and NATO ammo. Cleaning required light scraping around the extractor claw, around the barrel hood. Upon a detailed strip of the firearm all the trigger assembly pieces were polished to a mirror like finish once the carbon/dirt/grime was removed. Trigger feels maaaybe 10% better after cleaning.
Replaced the return spring assembly, since I can feel the gun knocking my hands around quite a bit more, and I'm getting brass to the face pretty hard.
Sorry no pics of the glock, it was very subtle fouling, and still looked relatively clean on the outside, compared to the show put on by the AR. There are areas of carbon buildup pretty much everywhere on the inside except for the breechface, and areas scraped clean by the barrel hood. Carbon fouling underneath the barrel hood, on the extractor, and the underside of the slide in non-critical areas did not impede function, nor did it look as if it would do so in the future.
One picture is at 1k rounds, the other is just below 2k rounds. As you can tell, it used to have words on it
If you've made it this far in the thread, congrats!
Everyone, post your pictures and stories of your dirty guns, any make, model, or creed!
Just no safe queens..
So let's see the carbon, mud, scratches, and good honest wear on your guns!
Recently for fun, I decided to give my firearms a light kick in the pants to show my love for them, and to see how far they will go with zero cleaning, and minimal lubrication.
Let my AR go a little over 2.2k rounds. First 1k fired over 2 day course, lubed three times with froglube,once before firing, at ~700 rounds, once again before putting it away for ~4 weeks. Next 1k rounds, lubed about every 400 rounds. Lubrication was applied with 2 drops of frog lube into the cam pin slot, and only once through the exhaust ports. Next time I will remember to add more lube through the exhaust ports.
Zero malfunctions, or loss of accuracy. Still ringing printer paper sized steel at 400-500m with boring predictability. For reference, I am shooting my handloads, 55gr FMJBT with 27.2gr CFE223 and an H2 buffer in a BCM LW middy.
When the rifle got too hot to hold(happened more than a few times), gave the barrel a light dunk in the pond
Wanted to push it further, but at this point I had carbon/froglube pushing itself out of most nooks/crannies of the rifle. And I mean it, operating the charging handle, getting a magwell grip, or even getting a proper cheekweld resulted in carbon gunk on my hands, face, and forearms where it shot out from between the receivers. The magazines around the feedlips and front spine were pretty nasty so I made a habit of smearing them on the grass.
Upon inspection when cleaning, one of the gas rings had thinned down, and either broke or burned away..
Still ran fine. For this AR it's about the 6-7K round mark I believe, so I replaced the gas rings and she's squared away.
I've taken my G19 to ~4-5k rounds, with incredibly boring reliability. Around every 500-600 rounds I take a cleaning brush with chore boy to the barrel for safety reasons, although I only get very minimal leading. Around this time I add 1 drop of froglube to the barrel lug/around the barrel where I'm holding it to clean it. My reloads are quite smokey, I cast and shoot my own 125gr lead reloads with 3.7-3.8gr titegroup to simulate my+P carry ammo, and tumble lube with 45/45/10.
To put it short, I would not shoot these at an indoor range, andi think it's hilarious seeing a glock look like it's shooting blackpowder cowboy action match, BUT I shoot for pennies per round and I can deal with the smoke for the trigger time I get.
At around the 3k round mark, the slide failed to lock back on an empty magazine. This happened again at the 4k round mark with a different magazine. No futher malfunctions after this point, but I did start receiving hot brass to the face pretty hard. Actually had a 9mm case head mark on my forehead I wasn't aware of for most of the day, sorta funny..
At this point, the glock 19 has had north of 10-12k cast +P reloads, and NATO ammo. Cleaning required light scraping around the extractor claw, around the barrel hood. Upon a detailed strip of the firearm all the trigger assembly pieces were polished to a mirror like finish once the carbon/dirt/grime was removed. Trigger feels maaaybe 10% better after cleaning.
Replaced the return spring assembly, since I can feel the gun knocking my hands around quite a bit more, and I'm getting brass to the face pretty hard.
Sorry no pics of the glock, it was very subtle fouling, and still looked relatively clean on the outside, compared to the show put on by the AR. There are areas of carbon buildup pretty much everywhere on the inside except for the breechface, and areas scraped clean by the barrel hood. Carbon fouling underneath the barrel hood, on the extractor, and the underside of the slide in non-critical areas did not impede function, nor did it look as if it would do so in the future.
One picture is at 1k rounds, the other is just below 2k rounds. As you can tell, it used to have words on it
If you've made it this far in the thread, congrats!
Everyone, post your pictures and stories of your dirty guns, any make, model, or creed!
Just no safe queens..
So let's see the carbon, mud, scratches, and good honest wear on your guns!
