What's the equivalent of a Press Check on a revolver?

[goodtime]

Quote:

"The idea of opening the action part of the way when you immediately need that gun means two things:

1. You didn't check when you should have.

2. You're more likely to screw things up, since you're under stress"

Once again you demonstrated that you have not read my posts. I don't know who's arguments you're addressing, but you are not addressing mine.

 

[goodtime]

You must be one serious, bad dude, Armedbear. To be able to actually feel and hear a round being chambered in an AR-15 when releasing the bolt. Even in field conditions, with noise, movement, among other distractions. Man, I wish I had your prowess.
Readers who have any familiarity with an AR-15 (or combat readiness): you hearing this? It's amazing.

 

[ArmedBear]

Yes you can feel the difference. Very, very easily if you are familiar with your rifle. You do have to be holding the gun.

Have you ever tried it?

Would I rely on that as my only means of checking? No. Would I follow up if I shut the bolt and something didn't feel right. Hell yes. Is that an important factor -- just knowing when something doesn't feel right? Very much so. Your eyes aren't the only sensory organs you have.

Could I hear it? Well, that does depend on ambient noise -- obviously.

Do what you want. Like I said, I have nothing against checking. However, I don't think that checking when it's really too late is a good idea.

My pistols have simple and reliable LCIs that I can feel. I believe that feeling them is a far better choice than opening the action. Feeling for a protruding LCI doesn't result in an out-of-battery gun.

All of that assumes familiarity with the gun. Without that, all bets are off.

 

[C-grunt]

I agree 100 percent with mr goodtime. If you read what he said, your arguments dont make sense.

Once the firearm is confirmed to be loaded, yeah, there's no need to check it again. I agree with that. But how about at the moment of loading? The facts that the magazine is loaded and the action has been cycled does not guarantee that a round successfullyhas been chambered.

He is saying do the press check right after you load the weapon. If that time is "Already to late" the real question is why are you carrying one un-chambered?

I press check my duty weapon any time it gets reloaded for duty. All mechanical devices can fail and Im just making sure it didnt right there. Once its loaded and checked, I see no need to do it again. The only "checks" I do throughout my work day are the magazine and my holsters hood. I press on the bottom of the mag to ensure the mag release hasnt been bumped. I then check my holsters hood to make sure my weapon is secure.

 

[Master Blaster]

I've said it before, I'll say it again --

There are 2 types of people in this world:

1. People who talk about other people
2. People who are talked about.

Ask yourself,
"Which group do I belong to?"
"Why?"
"What does that say about me as a person?"

You are worried about what the other kids in high school are saying???

 

[1911Tuner]

You must be one serious, bad dude, Armedbear. To be able to actually feel and hear a round being chambered in an AR-15 when releasing the bolt.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I can hear and feel the difference between a bolt going home on an empty chamber and feeding a round. Bolt-action rifle or self-loader.

Rather like being able to feel the difference while firing and a slide or bolt locks on empty. It's just...different.

It comes with experience and familiarity with the weapon.

 

[nalioth]

The "press check" is something some have been taught by the television and movies.

As has been mentioned, when you load your weapon, you can watch the round go into the chamber.

"A gun is always loaded." When I pull my carry piece out of the gun safe, it gets loaded and stays loaded until I unload it and put it back in the safe.

You folks who carry semiauto pistols who have kids or SOs or co-workers who think it's funny to unload your pistol when you're not looking need to rethink your situation.

 

[Clipper]

Press check? Pfffft. I chamber the first round and drop the mag to top it off...If the top round didn't feed, the last round won't load into the mag...Simple.

 

[goodtime]

I can't speak of movies or TV, I'll let some of you other guys talk about that, since you seem to be fond of it. But I received my carbine and pistol training (as an instructor and as a tactical officer) from guys like these, among others:
http://www.teamspartan.com/teamspartan_firearms_training_instructors.htm
EACH and EVERY one of these guys, among other instructors in the area, teaches the press check with the AR. Again, I pose the questions, How do you see a round in the dark? how do you feel a round chambering when you're running or otherwise moving or getting jostled? How do you hear a round chambering in noisy conditions? Combat readiness is inclusive of ALL conditions one might meet in responding to a hot situation. A prudent, trained shooter does not rely on sight, feel, or hearing when in the field to ensure his weapon is hot.
Just because a guy can do these things in the comfort and serenity of his own choosing, does not mean that these skills are applicaple in the field. I'm not talking about night watchmen, here.
Again, I ask, who is too cool or too great to ensure that a round is chambered? (again, when conditions permit, of course)

 

[nalioth]

I can't speak of movies or TV, I'll let some of you other guys talk about that, since you seem to be fond of it. But I received my carbine and pistol training (as an instructor and as a tactical officer) from guys like these, among others:
http://www.teamspartan.com/teamspart...nstructors.htm
EACH and EVERY one of these guys, among other instructors in the area, teaches the press check with the AR. Again, I pose the questions, How do you see a round in the dark? how do you feel a round chambering when you're running or otherwise moving or getting jostled? How do you hear a round chambering in noisy conditions? Combat readiness is inclusive of ALL conditions one might meet in responding to a hot situation. A prudent, trained shooter does not rely on sight, feel, or hearing when in the field to ensure his weapon is hot.
Just because a guy can do these things in the comfort and serenity of his own choosing, does not mean that these skills are applicaple in the field. I'm not talking about night watchmen, here.
Again, I ask, who is too cool or too great to ensure that a round is chambered? (again, when conditions permit, of course)

This thread isn't about press-checking your supersonic black rifle when you're down in the wilds o'South America running speshul ops.

It's about Joe Citizen or John LEO carrying his or her sidearm. The odds of any of us having to draw our sidearm is nil, and the odds of us getting into a running gun battle with it are ludicrous.

 

[1911Tuner]

Well, goodtime...I try to stay out of runnin' gunfights these days. Too old and crippled up for that sorta thing, and about the only hot situation I've been into lately has been a bowl of chili from Bubba's Fine Dining and Fish Bait emporium.

Like Jim Keenan...if I've got the gun on me, it's loaded. I don't press check to ensure that a gun is loaded. I press check to make sure that a gun handed to me is empty...unless it was handed off open and clear.

But...do carry on!

 

[goodtime]

I'll retire my participation in this thread with this:
If a guy wants to counter my assertions, that's OK, of course. I'm not the ultimate authority on anything, and I am certainly fallible. But if your argument is flawed, I'll point it out. If you resort to insult, or sarcasm without provocation from me, I'll point that out, too. If you're just a talker, I'll point it out.
Please, fellas, counter what I actually said, not what you feel like saying I said.
nalioth - it's about readiness. You said a lot of nonsense, which you introduced, not me. Please discuss what I actually said.

 

[1911Tuner]

Please, fellas, counter what I actually said, not what you feel like saying I said

I thought that's what they did...

If you resort to insult, or sarcasm without provocation from me, I'll point that out, too.

You mean along these lines?

You must be one serious, bad dude, Armedbear. To be able to actually feel and hear a round being chambered in an AR-15 when releasing the bolt. Even in field conditions, with noise, movement, among other distractions. Man, I wish I had your prowess.
Readers who have any familiarity with an AR-15 (or combat readiness): you hearing this? It's amazing.

The only thing that AB said was that anyone who is familiar with the weapon can feel and/or hear a round chamber as the bolt goes to battery...and you can. I can...on the range or at home when I ready a pistol for an excursion into the outside world. In the middle of a Mad Moment? Depends on whether or not I'm gettin' lit up at the time. Sometimes I've felt the rifle go dry, and sometimes not.

I'll go on record and say that if your weapon skips the top round during a Saddle Up/ Lock'n'Load/Line of Departure exercise...you've either got a bad magazine or you've got a gun problem...and if it skips the top round at low speed, it'll probably skip the next one, too when things are moving faster. If it skips the top round on the initial loading, and you don't know it by the way it feels and sounds...you need to spend more time with your gun.

Cheers!

 

[goodtime]

The key phrase, was, "WITHOUT PROVOCATION FROM ME." see post #25 from your friend before you spout off. Once sarcasm is introduced it's fairplay. You've got to give respect to get it.
If you thought "they" were responding to my actual assertions, you've demonstrated, clearly, that you did not read them, yourself. Some guys did read them, I'm not talking about their opposing views.

 

[sniper5]

Well, to check if a revolver is loaded you CAN look down the barrel while you press the trigger. . . ONCE

OK, I'm kidding. REALLY.

I usually just pop open the cylinder and look at the back of the cartridges.

 

[C-grunt]

In my dept, if you are a patrol officer with a rifle, you are not supposed to carry it chambered. Its in the trunk unloaded.

So on a scene like I had today... where a few bad guys decide to have a shootout in the street and the guy with the rifle decides to barricade himself in the house... the rifles came out for overwatch positions until SAU (swat) arrived.

Now if you can hear a round chamber in the middle of a street when you got sirens going and news choppers overhead then thats great. If you can feel the difference when the adrenaline is pumping then good for you. I know I cant.

When I was in the Army, I always press checked my rifle before I left the FOB. HArd to hear and feel stuff in the back of a Bradley.

The SAU officers that I saw load up today all checked their weapons. These are very highly trained, skilled and insanely experienced guys we are talking about. They do it for a reason, probably because they do really really rely on their weapons to save their lives on a daily basis. So why not take that extra couple seconds to double check that the feeding mechanism is working today?

 

[BullfrogKen]

The only thing that AB said was that anyone who is familiar with the weapon can feel and/or hear a round chamber as the bolt goes to battery...and you can. I can...on the range or at home when I ready a pistol for an excursion into the outside world. In the middle of a Mad Moment? Depends on whether or not I'm gettin' lit up at the time. Sometimes I've felt the rifle go dry, and sometimes not.

What he said.

I can tell if a round chambered by the way it feels. Once you spend enough time with a firearm you just get to know the difference. I can also tell when a round doesn't extract properly, doesn't eject properly, doesn't feed properly, or the slide doesn't seat fully upon returning to battery. And each one of those malfunctions feels different.

But those skills take time and round count to develop. If you don't know what those things feel like, then you haven't sent enough rounds downrange to learn it yet. And conversely, once you've acquired the skill, you just know.

The press check is not "tacticool," it is an industry standard for any professional who uses an AR-15 or a semiauto pisto

No, its not. Maybe with the guys you hang around it is. But I can tell you its far from industry standard.

I've both seen and been taught to verify a round chambered (when I didn't know it did by the way it felt) to pull the magazine and check. In double-stack rifle mags, the top round will have "switched" from one side to the other. In pistol mags verify through witness holes, or more simply, just top off the mag. Basically exactly what Clipper said:

Press check? Pfffft. I chamber the first round and drop the mag to top it off...If the top round didn't feed, the last round won't load into the mag...Simple.

Press checks on pistols are not industry standard. And around here they're quite discouraged.


But to the original question about revolvers - as stated already, pop the cylinder and look at the brass. The cylinders are the chamber.

 

[goodtime]

BullfrogKen and Clipper -- You've placed yourselves in the same boat as me. You share my contention, because you clearly advocated and described methods (valid ones) for checking that a round is chambered.
Press check, magazine check - the common denominator is that we're checking.