What's the green stuff in my Mauser barrel?

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I just got a vz24 and I ran a patch with hoppes #9 through it and let is soak over night. Today, when I ran the second wet patch through it, the patch came out with this bright aqua green slime on it. It was very heavy and not easy to get out.

So what is this? Rust, copper, lead, or some alien secretion?
 
Ammonium-copper complex.
The ammonium oleate in the solvent is dissolving the copper fouling in the barre. Keep it wet with solvent and reclean til it quits showing green.
 
Copper. Your bore cleaner kept working after you put it away, just like you wanted it to.
 
Oxides, hydroxides, and sulfides of copper may appear as both blue and green.

We find that the corrosion product on copper exposed in high sulfur environments such as industrial parks, near power plants etc is black. We see green corrosion product in high chloride environments (and sometimes green/blue). In wet, chloride and sulfur free environments we've found that copper turns a deep red/maroon color.

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Yep, copper fouling. I sometimes soak my mil surps for days with Hoppes no. 9 and every day I run a patch through the bore I get green on the patch.

I never get to the point of patches coming totally out clean, I usually stop after the patch comes out with just a small amount of green on it. That's good enough for me.

There is such a thing as "over cleaning", I guess it depends on how picky you are.
 
Canuck,
I made one up several years ago mainly for a Steyr M95 I had with a super cruddy bore. It did work pretty well but the hassle of using it wasn't worth it to me.
 
I didn't find it that much of a headache to use ... mostly the annoyance of finding/trimming washers or stoppers. It made a world of difference to the 91/30 bore that was on it's 7th cleaning with Hoppe's, Sweet's, RB-17, etc., along with lots of elbow grease.

45 minutes later, the bore looked better than I would have ever achieved with brushes.
/B
 
On those old milsurps you can clean forever and never get them really clean with patches and brushes. For a major improvement, try an Otis-style electro-chemical cleaning ... see link for several homemade versions.
http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/copperout/index.asp

I made one up several years ago mainly for a Steyr M95 I had with a super cruddy bore. It did work pretty well but the hassle of using it wasn't worth it to me.

Bryan, the one in the post IS a bit complicated to make up. One can be made a LOT quicker, easier and cheaper than that.

How to Make a Quick, Cheap, and Easy Lazy Bastard's Electronic Bore Cleaner

1) rubber stopper sized to insert into your gun's chamber with small pilot hole centered in the small diameter end to receive and hold the pointed tip of a steel rod;

2) small diameter (a wire gauge diameter) mild steel rod long enough so that 2-3" extends beyond the length of the gun barrel when fully inserted;

3) heat-shrink tape or electricians tape to insulate the steel rod where it would contact the end of the barrel. Put another 2-3 layers of tape insulation about halfway down the rod length if you'd like to be sure it won't metal-to-metal contact the barrel;

4) insert the rod into the barrel, and hold the rubber stopper in the chamber so you can guide the rod's sharpened end into the pilot hole. Then push the stopper firmly into the chamber and press it to form a water-tight seal;

5) make up a solution of 50% household liquid ammonia and 50% distilled water, or 25% ammonia, 25% white vinegar, 50% distilled water. Pour it into the barrel filling it up to the top, using a little funnel if you need to;

5) connect 2 C-cell batteries in series ( +-+- ) by putting them end to end and taping them onto a paint stir stick... tape at the battery joint to hold them together at the same time. Tape to make sure the batteries stay connected together;

6) get 2 lengths of multi-strand copper wire and strip a half-inch or so off the ends of each wire.

7) tape one wire end to the + end of the battery series and tape the other end of that wire to the gun sight;

8) tape the other wire end to the - end of the battery series and tape the other end of that wire to the bare end of the metal rod in the gun.

9) if you did everything right, you should see the solution in the barrel begin to bubble fairly soon. Leave it for 45 min. to an hour, then pour the black grody gunk out of the barrel, swab it, and admire your much-cleaner bore. You'll have gotten rid of dirt, metal deposits and other unclean nasties.

You may have to do this twice or three times. It WILL come shiny clean eventually, and with almost no effort.

Is this a great country or what!?
 
That's essentially how I did it ... per the notes contriubted by readers at the bottom of the article. I used a small transformer left over from some device or other. Not really difficult considering the time that would be spent brushing out the bore.
'tis a GREAT country!
/B
 
45 minutes later, the bore looked better than I would have ever achieved with brushes.

Personally I'd never do this to one of my barrels. The fact that the barrel is so shiny afterwards makes me think that the barrel is breaking down, and all that black gunk is the passive film being forced off the steel. Carbon steels passivate in alkaline solutions but usually they're left looking dark, almost black. I used to use this green solution years ago called Ospho or something like that when I was working at the shipyard. It was designed to passivate shiny or rusty steel. Once it was rinsed off and the steel was dry you could paint over it. By the way, 3V is a lot of potential and I'd consider this procedure to be aggressive and risky.

or 25% ammonia, 25% white vinegar

Is this supposed to be a near-neutral solution? Do you know the pH of this solution?
 
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