What's your preferred every day carry?

[Steve in NC]

...Um, no. I've been shooting reloads through that gun for YEARS, jacketed and home cast.
A couple of targets from the past shot with the P-10C.

The only factory loads that gun has ever known are defensive/carry loads. CZ is known for the "short chamber", but after reloading for CZ pistols for almost 20 years, it has never been a problem for me - that includes PCR, P-01, Phantom, P-07, P-09, P-01 C/S/F/M and I know I am forgetting one...

Armoredman, Understood if that is your experience. That is why this is a public forum and we all get to report on our experiences.
I know what I measured and the very predictable outcome was with that pistol. I could take loaded ammo and measure the case length with a set of calipers and hand it to my buddy and say this one will cycle fine, this one will lock it up with 100% predictability.

I just want to make people aware that CIP specs chambers have .004” min to max case length to where most other manufacturers use SAAMI spec chambers which allow .027” ???? case length variation from min to max. It is not something you want to be figuring out in a defensive situation is all.

If your guns run with your ammo as-is… run them and enjoy. But looking at chamber prints and saying simple math doesn’t matter, is not well advised on a public forum. And I’m not trying to be argumentative towards you, this is meant for others reading this to make up your own minds is all. And… to remind everyone to run your EDC with your ammo first before you just load it and carry brand new

Steve

 

[GEM]

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From Tom Givens - a well known trainer, one of the best:

Shoot a Wheelgun?

It is pretty well known that I do not advocate the revolver as a primary sidearm. I have reasons, such as:1. Bulky for the number of rounds available;2. Much too limited ammo capacity. In today’s world 5 or6 small or medium caliber bullets may not be enough.3. It is extremely difficult to reload under stress in a survivable time frame with real concealed carry gear, not range gear.4. Malfunctions require time and tools to fix. Basically, I don’t carry a revolver for the same reason I don’t ride a horse to work or communicate via telegraph. There are better choices, and my life or the life of a loved one is at stake.

In this discussion, what's your predicted usage, stakes vs. the risks. Some points, some already made -

1. Is the gun COSplay - I get that from some.
2. Most carriers never train significantly. We have data on that.
3. Do you plan for the single mugger or two - who might go away when you wave the gun? Do you consider that you might be in a more intensive incident - yes, you can run - until you can't.
4. Are you constrained by dress, NPE considerations?
5. Consider number of opponents, time in the fight before a reload, probability of a useful hit - yeah, no one reloads, YOU will hit decisively as you do on the square range.
6. Run the guns in something like IDPA, USPSA or some outlaw matches to actually see how you do under time, movement and stress.

There are equally well known trainers who speak to the utility of J frames, such as Daryll Bolke, Claude Werner for EDC in most environments. They do accept the limitation of the gun for the lower intensity fight (not that any lethal interaction is 'low' intensity).

I'm with Tom - yeah, I don't feel helpless if I have a revolver on my belt - but if on my belt why? The gun is for a life and death interaction - why limit myself when the same size can give me more capacity. Pocket carry for NPE, dress - can't beat a J frame.

I've trained with Tom and Claude (and others) - I'll run a revolver or J frame in a match (we do short range carry matches every once in a while). I can shoot them pretty well but if I can - a good semi and an extra mag on my belt is preferred.

If I become physically limited in hand strength, so far not a problem - at my age - I might consider moving into something like a Glock 44. I like the 32 HR mag Js over the 38 SPL Js for the extra round.

To repeat, this is the operative principle:

There are better choices, and my life or the life of a loved one is at stake.

So SAA, BP, some old retro Makarov, a flintlock - nope.

 

[Rexster]

Well, in the past nine days, since typing that long post all about why I carry revolvers, here in this discussion, my double-action dry-fire routine has started to vex the arthritis in my right index finger. So, the Glocks, that were barely mentioned, in my earlier post, might get their daily-carry reinstated. I have a live-fire training day, on Thursday, this week, so, it is going to be a Glock day. Maybe some Nineteen-Elevening, too, if I decide to pack a heavy load with me, but, it will be a structured training class, so one Glock, plus a spare, is probably best. It will be my first time with this group, and at this range, so, the simpler, the better.

Edited to add: The “price” of my switching back to Glocks, or other autos, is that I will have to do more live fire training, more often, compared to double-action sixgunning.

 

[Kleanbore]

i started out with a J-frame, and could not do defensive drills effectively.

I need a good tigger pull; an easy to rack slide; reasonable sights; recoil no greater than what will allow a balance of speed and precsion; and something I can carry all day.

I want a capacity of at least 7+1.

I also carry pepper spray.

 

[armoredman]

Armoredman, Understood if that is your experience. That is why this is a public forum and we all get to report on our experiences.
I know what I measured and the very predictable outcome was with that pistol. I could take loaded ammo and measure the case length with a set of calipers and hand it to my buddy and say this one will cycle fine, this one will lock it up with 100% predictability.

I just want to make people aware that CIP specs chambers have .004” min to max case length to where most other manufacturers use SAAMI spec chambers which allow .027” ???? case length variation from min to max. It is not something you want to be figuring out in a defensive situation is all.

If your guns run with your ammo as-is… run them and enjoy. But looking at chamber prints and saying simple math doesn’t matter, is not well advised on a public forum. And I’m not trying to be argumentative towards you, this is meant for others reading this to make up your own minds is all. And… to remind everyone to run your EDC with your ammo first before you just load it and carry brand new

Steve

So, in the spirit of debate, how many CZs have you loaded 9mm for?

 

[Anchorite]

i started out with a J-frame, and could not do defensive drills effectively.

I need a good tigger pull; an easy to rack slide; reasonable sights; recoil no greater than what will allow a balance of speed and precsion; and something I can carry all day.

I want a capacity of at least 7+1.

I also carry pepper spray.

I think I could live the rest of my days comfortably with a G43x as my dedicated EDC. But I acknowledge I need to look at the P365.

 

[Steve in NC]

So, in the spirit of debate, how many CZs have you loaded 9mm for?

Sir, this is going off topic of this thread. I stand by the above statements so anyone reading this can make up thier own minds. Let's just leave it at that.

Steve

 

[armoredman]

As you wish.

 

[FL-NC]

I would "prefer" one of my Glock 19's, but since I live in Fl where it is almost always t shirt weather, in practice I carry a S&W shield 9mm.

 

[The Night Rider]

As you wish.

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[armoredman]

Exactly

 

[Armorer 101]

In real hot weather I carry a custom Keltec 380, cooler weather I carry a Para Ord LDA 45 ACP and in a major dust up, like a hurricane, I carry a Smith 66 and the other two as handguns plus an AR and three knives.