What's your preferred every day carry?

...Um, no. I've been shooting reloads through that gun for YEARS, jacketed and home cast.
A couple of targets from the past shot with the P-10C.

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The only factory loads that gun has ever known are defensive/carry loads. CZ is known for the "short chamber", but after reloading for CZ pistols for almost 20 years, it has never been a problem for me - that includes PCR, P-01, Phantom, P-07, P-09, P-01 C/S/F/M and I know I am forgetting one...
Armoredman, Understood if that is your experience. That is why this is a public forum and we all get to report on our experiences.
I know what I measured and the very predictable outcome was with that pistol. I could take loaded ammo and measure the case length with a set of calipers and hand it to my buddy and say this one will cycle fine, this one will lock it up with 100% predictability.

I just want to make people aware that CIP specs chambers have .004” min to max case length to where most other manufacturers use SAAMI spec chambers which allow .027” ???? case length variation from min to max. It is not something you want to be figuring out in a defensive situation is all.

If your guns run with your ammo as-is… run them and enjoy. But looking at chamber prints and saying simple math doesn’t matter, is not well advised on a public forum. And I’m not trying to be argumentative towards you, this is meant for others reading this to make up your own minds is all. And… to remind everyone to run your EDC with your ammo first before you just load it and carry brand new

Steve
 

From Tom Givens - a well known trainer, one of the best:

Shoot a Wheelgun?

It is pretty well known that I do not advocate the revolver as a primary sidearm. I have reasons, such as:1. Bulky for the number of rounds available;2. Much too limited ammo capacity. In today’s world 5 or6 small or medium caliber bullets may not be enough.3. It is extremely difficult to reload under stress in a survivable time frame with real concealed carry gear, not range gear.4. Malfunctions require time and tools to fix. Basically, I don’t carry a revolver for the same reason I don’t ride a horse to work or communicate via telegraph. There are better choices, and my life or the life of a loved one is at stake.

In this discussion, what's your predicted usage, stakes vs. the risks. Some points, some already made -

1. Is the gun COSplay - I get that from some.
2. Most carriers never train significantly. We have data on that.
3. Do you plan for the single mugger or two - who might go away when you wave the gun? Do you consider that you might be in a more intensive incident - yes, you can run - until you can't.
4. Are you constrained by dress, NPE considerations?
5. Consider number of opponents, time in the fight before a reload, probability of a useful hit - yeah, no one reloads, YOU will hit decisively as you do on the square range.
6. Run the guns in something like IDPA, USPSA or some outlaw matches to actually see how you do under time, movement and stress.

There are equally well known trainers who speak to the utility of J frames, such as Daryll Bolke, Claude Werner for EDC in most environments. They do accept the limitation of the gun for the lower intensity fight (not that any lethal interaction is 'low' intensity).

I'm with Tom - yeah, I don't feel helpless if I have a revolver on my belt - but if on my belt why? The gun is for a life and death interaction - why limit myself when the same size can give me more capacity. Pocket carry for NPE, dress - can't beat a J frame.

I've trained with Tom and Claude (and others) - I'll run a revolver or J frame in a match (we do short range carry matches every once in a while). I can shoot them pretty well but if I can - a good semi and an extra mag on my belt is preferred.

If I become physically limited in hand strength, so far not a problem - at my age - I might consider moving into something like a Glock 44. I like the 32 HR mag Js over the 38 SPL Js for the extra round.

To repeat, this is the operative principle:
There are better choices, and my life or the life of a loved one is at stake.

So SAA, BP, some old retro Makarov, a flintlock - nope.
 
Well, in the past nine days, since typing that long post all about why I carry revolvers, here in this discussion, my double-action dry-fire routine has started to vex the arthritis in my right index finger. So, the Glocks, that were barely mentioned, in my earlier post, might get their daily-carry reinstated. I have a live-fire training day, on Thursday, this week, so, it is going to be a Glock day. Maybe some Nineteen-Elevening, too, if I decide to pack a heavy load with me, but, it will be a structured training class, so one Glock, plus a spare, is probably best. It will be my first time with this group, and at this range, so, the simpler, the better.

Edited to add: The “price” of my switching back to Glocks, or other autos, is that I will have to do more live fire training, more often, compared to double-action sixgunning.
 
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i started out with a J-frame, and could not do defensive drills effectively.

I need a good tigger pull; an easy to rack slide; reasonable sights; recoil no greater than what will allow a balance of speed and precsion; and something I can carry all day.

I want a capacity of at least 7+1.

I also carry pepper spray.
 
Armoredman, Understood if that is your experience. That is why this is a public forum and we all get to report on our experiences.
I know what I measured and the very predictable outcome was with that pistol. I could take loaded ammo and measure the case length with a set of calipers and hand it to my buddy and say this one will cycle fine, this one will lock it up with 100% predictability.

I just want to make people aware that CIP specs chambers have .004” min to max case length to where most other manufacturers use SAAMI spec chambers which allow .027” ???? case length variation from min to max. It is not something you want to be figuring out in a defensive situation is all.

If your guns run with your ammo as-is… run them and enjoy. But looking at chamber prints and saying simple math doesn’t matter, is not well advised on a public forum. And I’m not trying to be argumentative towards you, this is meant for others reading this to make up your own minds is all. And… to remind everyone to run your EDC with your ammo first before you just load it and carry brand new

Steve
So, in the spirit of debate, how many CZs have you loaded 9mm for?
 
i started out with a J-frame, and could not do defensive drills effectively.

I need a good tigger pull; an easy to rack slide; reasonable sights; recoil no greater than what will allow a balance of speed and precsion; and something I can carry all day.

I want a capacity of at least 7+1.

I also carry pepper spray.
I think I could live the rest of my days comfortably with a G43x as my dedicated EDC. But I acknowledge I need to look at the P365.
 
I would "prefer" one of my Glock 19's, but since I live in Fl where it is almost always t shirt weather, in practice I carry a S&W shield 9mm.
 
In real hot weather I carry a custom Keltec 380, cooler weather I carry a Para Ord LDA 45 ACP and in a major dust up, like a hurricane, I carry a Smith 66 and the other two as handguns plus an AR and three knives.
 

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While I usually carry a semi auto, I'm not a fan of anything with big cuts in the slide. It's just that much greater chance of crap falling in and causing a failure. I know some folks like the bling factor though.

And yes, I actually work with a gun on my hip. Clearing brush, chainsawing, etc.
 
i am pretty much a revolver guy but i need a small and unobtrusive ccw for social reasons. my keltec p32 with a spare mag completely edged out a naa guardian 32acp as my primary, daily ccw, being far easier to shoot and more reliable than the guardian. the p32 carries smaller than a s&w 642 or ruger lcr 22lr, which i mostly use for outdoors carry.
 

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Preferred? It's varied over the years, including the 30+ years I carried an active badge. I started in days of the service revolver, and back then my 'minimum' carry was either a Colt Commander or a 4" .357MAG. It didn't take long for .38SPL to find its way into my needs, as the 2"-3" snubs were a bit easier to tote concealed. I had to work harder to shoot them as well, of course, but that's to be expected with many smaller and lighter guns, especially when it comes to how recoil may affect you.

I went through the transition to double stack 9's replacing wheelguns, and then the increasing availability of compact and subcompact pistols. I carried issued 9's, .40's & .45's the years. As retirement time approached, I found myself buying and carrying my 5-shot snubs again. They were simply more handy when concealment was a priority, but they did require more range/trigger time to make sure the skills were up to the task. Hell, I even picked up a couple LCP's, for those times when even a snub wouldn't fit in some tight and short jeans pockets (holstered, of course).

Nowadays? For my retirement needs one or another of my assorted S&W J's serve the role, although sometimes one of the LCP's gets the duty. I don't often want to belt on one of my many 9's, .40's or .45's quite so much anymore. Sure, they still get range (and qual) time, along with my J's and LCP's. There are some occasional exceptions, of course. Like today ...

I'm getting ready to wander over the hill to one (may both ;) ) of my cigar clubs in a little while. I decided to put the J-frame I've been carrying back in the safe, and got out my CS9 (subcompact 3rd gen S&W, w/3" barrel and 7rd mags), along with my oldest leather plainclothes holster which fits the CS9.

I've had that CS9 for more than 20 years, and it's seen a lot of range use when I was working as an instructor. It was more fun to shoot than my 3913 (and issued 6906's), if only for the neat, short but hand-filling Hogue grips that came standard on them, and the way the short slide briskly (and controllably) runs through its cycling and snaps the front sight back onto the target so quickly, especially with the +P and +P+ loads we used back then. Then again, I'm also a satisfied user of Traditional Double Action (DA/SA) working guns, having carried them since '90. ;)

The Hume H726 leather holster is their older spring loaded, partially open front model. It's canted for a natural draw, and the draw stroke only requires raising the weapon a short distance before being able to execute the draw. In other words, a shorter "elbow up" draw before the "elbow down" presentation occurs. The partially open front slot cut lets the muzzle clear much sooner, hence much faster, than the typical front edges of the holster pockets commonly seen. As soon as the muzzle clears the front cut, the muzzle can be rotated toward the threat. Kinder on aging and 'well-worn' shoulders and elbows. ;) It does have a thumb break, which is metal reinforced, and the thick leather has double stitched sew lines. I just wish I'd discovered that holster back when Hume still made them for revolvers. ;)

Did I mention faster, too? It's surprised a few people with its speed back in my plainclothes days. One of the guys in our bureau told me once, after an incident, that it was the fastest holster he'd ever used. He became a fan.

The model has changed a bit over the years. The most obvious change is going from closed tunnel belt loops to open slots. Another change was when they stopped using the adhesive felt 'dots' to cover the bottom of the outboard snap, and went to using thick plastic covers that snapped into the hole in the snap base. The plastic was thick enough that edge would sometimes catch on the rear of the slides, and cause a little hitch in the giddy-up of the draw. I fixed that by removing the new plastic plugs and replacing them with adhesive dots. ;) The plastic plugs may last longer than felt dots, but felt dots are easily found and very inexpensive parts for holster maintenance.

This pic shows my issued 4513TSW alongside my 3913. You can see how the different length slides have different height slot cuts, and how short the muzzle has to be raised to clear the front of the holster.


My CS9 in the oldest brown leather H726. It made for the original 3rd gen 69XX guns, with their square trigger guard, but the round trigger guard models fit fine in it (but not vice-versa, obviously).



This is a few of the ones I picked up over the years.


I almost didn't order a CS9, thinking it wasn't really going to be that much more appealing than my 3913. That lasted until another instructor let me borrow his CS9 and put it through its paces on our training range. Everything I prized in my 3913, but half an inch shorter in length & height, and the curved Hogues made specifically for S&W's Chief Special 3rd gens made it fine and pleasant little pistol to run hard. :)

My CS9 is presently stoked with Winchester RA9TA 127gr +P+.
 
Preferred? It's varied over the years, including the 30+ years I carried an active badge. I started in days of the service revolver, and back then my 'minimum' carry was either a Colt Commander or a 4" .357MAG. It didn't take long for .38SPL to find its way into my needs, as the 2"-3" snubs were a bit easier to tote concealed. I had to work harder to shoot them as well, of course, but that's to be expected with many smaller and lighter guns, especially when it comes to how recoil may affect you.

I went through the transition to double stack 9's replacing wheelguns, and then the increasing availability of compact and subcompact pistols. I carried issued 9's, .40's & .45's the years. As retirement time approached, I found myself buying and carrying my 5-shot snubs again. They were simply more handy when concealment was a priority, but they did require more range/trigger time to make sure the skills were up to the task. Hell, I even picked up a couple LCP's, for those times when even a snub wouldn't fit in some tight and short jeans pockets (holstered, of course).

Nowadays? For my retirement needs one or another of my assorted S&W J's serve the role, although sometimes one of the LCP's gets the duty. I don't often want to belt on one of my many 9's, .40's or .45's quite so much anymore. Sure, they still get range (and qual) time, along with my J's and LCP's. There are some occasional exceptions, of course. Like today ...

I'm getting ready to wander over the hill to one (may both ;) ) of my cigar clubs in a little while. I decided to put the J-frame I've been carrying back in the safe, and got out my CS9 (subcompact 3rd gen S&W, w/3" barrel and 7rd mags), along with my oldest leather plainclothes holster which fits the CS9.

I've had that CS9 for more than 20 years, and it's seen a lot of range use when I was working as an instructor. It was more fun to shoot than my 3913 (and issued 6906's), if only for the neat, short but hand-filling Hogue grips that came standard on them, and the way the short slide briskly (and controllably) runs through its cycling and snaps the front sight back onto the target so quickly, especially with the +P and +P+ loads we used back then. Then again, I'm also a satisfied user of Traditional Double Action (DA/SA) working guns, having carried them since '90. ;)

The Hume H726 leather holster is their older spring loaded, partially open front model. It's canted for a natural draw, and the draw stroke only requires raising the weapon a short distance before being able to execute the draw. In other words, a shorter "elbow up" draw before the "elbow down" presentation occurs. The partially open front slot cut lets the muzzle clear much sooner, hence much faster, than the typical front edges of the holster pockets commonly seen. As soon as the muzzle clears the front cut, the muzzle can be rotated toward the threat. Kinder on aging and 'well-worn' shoulders and elbows. ;) It does have a thumb break, which is metal reinforced, and the thick leather has double stitched sew lines. I just wish I'd discovered that holster back when Hume still made them for revolvers. ;)

Did I mention faster, too? It's surprised a few people with its speed back in my plainclothes days. One of the guys in our bureau told me once, after an incident, that it was the fastest holster he'd ever used. He became a fan.

The model has changed a bit over the years. The most obvious change is going from closed tunnel belt loops to open slots. Another change was when they stopped using the adhesive felt 'dots' to cover the bottom of the outboard snap, and went to using thick plastic covers that snapped into the hole in the snap base. The plastic was thick enough that edge would sometimes catch on the rear of the slides, and cause a little hitch in the giddy-up of the draw. I fixed that by removing the new plastic plugs and replacing them with adhesive dots. ;) The plastic plugs may last longer than felt dots, but felt dots are easily found and very inexpensive parts for holster maintenance.

This pic shows my issued 4513TSW alongside my 3913. You can see how the different length slides have different height slot cuts, and how short the muzzle has to be raised to clear the front of the holster.


My CS9 in the oldest brown leather H726. It made for the original 3rd gen 69XX guns, with their square trigger guard, but the round trigger guard models fit fine in it (but not vice-versa, obviously).



This is a few of the ones I picked up over the years.


I almost didn't order a CS9, thinking it wasn't really going to be that much more appealing than my 3913. That lasted until another instructor let me borrow his CS9 and put it through its paces on our training range. Everything I prized in my 3913, but half an inch shorter in length & height, and the curved Hogues made specifically for S&W's Chief Special 3rd gens made it fine and pleasant little pistol to run hard. :)

My CS9 is presently stoked with Winchester RA9TA 127gr +P+.
Nice assortment of Don Hume leather
 
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