marine 97-03
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I've been looking at get one of these for a while could this be the do all auto loader...hunting tactical plinking and target rifle ?......looking at it in 5.56 or .243..6mm
what's your thoughts on the R 15 ,R 25 vtr
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ugaarguy
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The R15 is essentially a rebadged, camoed Bushmaster AR-15. The R-25 is essentially a rebadged, camoed DPMS LR-308. The R-15 is overpriced because of this, IMO. The R-25 is a decent deal, because the DPMS LR-308 is the best deal going on a large frame AR. Hope that helps.
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if you're looking for a 5.56, look elsewhere. if you're looking for one of the other calibers you mentioned, it's not a bad buy.
stchman
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Remington R-15 = AR-15 with camo paint job.
Save your money.
I love how Dick's doesn't sell "assault" rifles when they sell the R-15. Dick's has got to be the biggest bunch of hypocrites.
Save your money.
I love how Dick's doesn't sell "assault" rifles when they sell the R-15. Dick's has got to be the biggest bunch of hypocrites.
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Hypocrite corporations or not, that is one good thing about the Remington R-15 & R-25. That camo paint job & Remington name has let an AR-15 & AR-10(ish) rifle sneak into controlled territory. If that means even a few traditionalists pick one up, and the name & paint job opens their mind to viewing ARs as just another rifle like a Browning BAR (the hunting rifle BAR of course, not the light machine gun) that's good for everyone.
marine 97-03
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Did remington do anything special to them.....or just jack up the price...
marine 97-03
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are they more accurate than other ar,s
No to both questions (apples to apples). The R-15 is a Bushmaster with a dipped camo job. It is not a bad rifle, just priced higher than it should be. Accuracy will be on par with other floated varmint AR's.
sansone
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if you are looking at the R25 in .243 forget it. The price is too high for a DPMS, which is what you are getting.
FYI: for the same price (as R25) I bought the ARmalite in .243 and it consistently cloverleafs at 100yds, forged upper & lower, perfect fit between parts
FYI: for the same price (as R25) I bought the ARmalite in .243 and it consistently cloverleafs at 100yds, forged upper & lower, perfect fit between parts
Dr T
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Vitriolic opinions such as some of the above always surprise me. I guess they should not.
I actually own an R-15 VTR. It shoots 5 shot 1 inch groups at 100 yards with Hornady factory (50 to the box) and Fiocchi 55 gr SP ammo. I haven't bothered trying to hand load it (I don't want to mix brass with a 223 Ruger M77 lighweight).
When I bought it, it was less expensive than the comparable Bushmaster (by about $200) and had a much better trigger than any of the other Bushmaster and S&W rifles I looked at.
It has a hybrid chamber.
I do not consider it an all-around rifle: It is a varmint/target gun (just like the VTR says). The 223 is far too light for me to ethically use on deer. However, it is handy and the sliding stock makes it easy to stow in the pickup.
And the bobcats and coyotes do not seem to like it very much.
I actually own an R-15 VTR. It shoots 5 shot 1 inch groups at 100 yards with Hornady factory (50 to the box) and Fiocchi 55 gr SP ammo. I haven't bothered trying to hand load it (I don't want to mix brass with a 223 Ruger M77 lighweight).
When I bought it, it was less expensive than the comparable Bushmaster (by about $200) and had a much better trigger than any of the other Bushmaster and S&W rifles I looked at.
It has a hybrid chamber.
I do not consider it an all-around rifle: It is a varmint/target gun (just like the VTR says). The 223 is far too light for me to ethically use on deer. However, it is handy and the sliding stock makes it easy to stow in the pickup.
And the bobcats and coyotes do not seem to like it very much.
kwelz
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Unless things have changed the Remington guns are just rebranded Bushmaster and DPMS guns. I would look else ware. If you really want a Camo hunting oriented AR look at Ambush Firearms.
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Just like everyone else, there really isn't anything unique on the Remi-AR's to warrant the price. Camo paints jobs aren't that expensive.
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this is not an indicator of quality in an ar-15
R-15s do supposedly have an enhanced trigger of some type.
Much like most things that bring out the haters, it is neither the giant piece of crap that people would have you think it is, nor is it anything special. it's just another varmint AR. if you like it, get it. you could build a much nicer one for the price though. find a complete lower and then slap this on top
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-SS410-18-Rifle-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-18%20ss410%20miss-15.htm
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have you seen mossberg new MMR famly of rifles they offer ar 15 and 308 in camo. the ar 15 starts at$922 and the 308 starts at$ 1,360. They had great reviews in guns and ammo . Hope that helped
have you seen mossberg new MMR famly of rifles they offer ar 15 and 308 in camo. the ar 15 starts at$922 and the 308 starts at$ 1,360. They had great reviews in guns and ammo . Hope that helped
sansone
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oh I'm sorry, I thought fit between parts was of interest to us. Please forgive me.
Not hating anything here, just my humble opinion
Not hating anything here, just my humble opinion
sansone
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yes agree, unfortunately they are hard to find right now
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If you were referring to fit between the upper and lower. Then no, that does not matter as long as they fit together at all. Ive heard of tight fitting Olympic arms rifles and sloppy colts. What matters are materials and construction methods.
marine 97-03
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Are they made by bushmaster and DPMS or are they copies made by remington
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Bushmaster, DPMS, Remington, and Marlin are all under the Freedom Group umbrella, meaning they're all owned by Cerberus Capital Group. They're assembled at Remington, on Remington marked lowers, using Bushmaster & DPMS parts. There's quite a bit of parts sharing going on between the brands.
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quote:
"it consistently cloverleafs at 100yds, forged upper & lower, perfect fit between parts"
...this was my brief description, no need to dissect my words, not hating anything
redbullitt
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My dad has one of the r15s in 223. It seems like a nice rifle to me. I have shot a couple hundred rounds through it and he has shot more. Plenty accurate and no hiccups to speak of.
Pretty easy to tag steel out to 450 (as far as we have here).
Pretty easy to tag steel out to 450 (as far as we have here).
tahunua001
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aside from that fact that they are just camod up DPMS they're fine, I'd rather spend the money on a DPMS than spend extra for a DPMS that is restamped as remington and painted over. 243 is a nice round, I'll kill anything up to elk sized game if you do your part and it's accurate and has distance on it's side...it's a good gun. I'd get it...just the DMPS verson rather than Remington.
kwelz
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I would argue that the fact they are camoed DPMS rifles is exactly what makes them NOT fine.
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kwelz, have you ever owned a DPMS?
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