When a pound....isn't a pound.

[Rembrandt]

Not to hijack the (pound or pound) thread, but it brings up something inquiring minds want to know.

Checking the Brownells web site, Ramshot Competition Clays powder is advertised as a one pound container....but only holds 12 ounces. You can purchase 4 & 8 pound jugs that supposedly hold the advertised amount by volume. If four of the smaller (one pound containers) are purchased you'll only get (48 ounces) or 3 pounds of product.



https://www.brownells.com/reloading...er/ramshot-competition-powders-prod39437.aspx

Reminds me of ammo companies that changed the contents of shotgun rounds from 25 to 20 per box.

Older I get the smaller the packaging becomes and with less contents.

 

[FLIGHT762]

There were number of the old IMR Shotgun powders that were sold in the regular IMR 1# tins, but because they were much bulkier, with less weight they were sold in those tins with 8 oz. of powder in them. "Trail Boss" is currently sold by Hodgdon in the regular 1# sized plastic bottles @ 9 oz. in them.

The now discontinued IMR RED, Blue, Green and Target powders were sold in 14 oz. containers.

This was nothing new with those bulky, light powders.

 

[twistytorn]

caveat emptor.

The contents are on the container.

 

[Hartkopf]

First it’s cereal at the grocery store shrinking and now it’s gun powder! Manufacturers of everything will be looking for ways to keep sales up during this run of inflation. They use “shrinkflation.” Keep the price the same but reduce the product.

 

[kmw1954]

caveat emptor.

The contents are on the container.

Exactly correct. Most folks have never had to deal with purchasing containers for a commercial product. Especially when those containers happen to be plastic. These producers buy containers by the millions, not a couple thousand here and there. They would go broke just in inventory purchase let alone product warehousing.

Never wondered why powders all come in the same container? It's not for looks or brand recognition. It's all economics folk!
If a pound of powder isn't going to fit into a pound container then I guess you can't sell it as a Pound.

 

[earlthegoat2]

Shrinkflation

 

[jmorris]

Really bulky powders fill up a “1lb” container quicker that others. An argument for “nothing such as one size, fits all.”



The rest of it is like buying a bag of chips to find out it’s only half full. Air is cheaper than the product, or larger “new and improved” packaging.

The only things you buy that do not have plenty of packaging are things that you would like to fit back inside original packaging between uses, like tents or inflatable kiddy pools and such.

 

[rfwobbly]

Your only consultation is that bikinis are also getting smaller.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

Your only consultation is that bikinis are also getting smaller.

Yeah, before long they will be wearing two bottle caps and a band-aid.

The only full 1 lb bottle of powder I've bought lately is WST, it was full to the top of the mouth. It is light and fluffy also.
It seems to be the only powder made that fits the 1 lb bottles.

As long as they hold the advertised weight, I'm good with it.

 

[Rule3]

?? The website clearly shows and says 12 oz container Where does it say its 16 oz or one pound? Only on the "filter" is it grouped under 1 lb. Better call them to have it fixed.
Out of stock anyway so it is 0 oz.
749-101-661WB
Ramshot Competition 12 oz.

Mfr Part: COMP1

https://www.brownells.com/reloading...er/ramshot-competition-powders-prod39437.aspx

 

[Charlie98]

The rest of it is like buying a bag of chips to find out it’s only half full. Air is cheaper than the product, or larger “new and improved” packaging.

Actually, the 'half full' chip bags full of air are so you don't get a bag full of potato chip dust, instead of potato chip 'chips.' The air is there to protect the chips during transportation.

As someone else mentioned, standardized containers make a whole lot of sense, not only for purchasing simplicity (at the manufacturing level,) but with production and shipping considerations... those 1# cans have to fit into a properly sized box, which may or may not have to fit into another overbox, etc, etc, and then fit properly on a standard size pallet when shipped in bulk.

It can cause problems... all 3 of these are 8# containers. When I built my bench, I designed it around the size of the shorter can on the left... imagine my surprise when I tried to put that bigger can of Unique under there! The middle can is (used to be...) full of IMR4227... but 8# only filled it up halfway, or thereabouts. Certainly a waste of plastic, but for whatever reason IMR went to the bigger containers, even though I don't know of any IMR rifle powder that would overfill the smaller 8# container. Good news is, my last 8# of H335 was in the smaller can on the left... hope springs eternal that IMR is back to the smaller cans, too.

 

[WeekendReloader]

For simplicity of storage on the shelf, I'm fine with using the same sized bottles. I like the common size.
Just adjust the price to match the amount of powder.

 

[RealGun]

Really bulky powders fill up a “1lb” container quicker that others. An argument for “nothing such as one size, fits all.”

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The rest of it is like buying a bag of chips to find out it’s only half full. Air is cheaper than the product, or larger “new and improved” packaging.

The only things you buy that do not have plenty of packaging are things that you would like to fit back inside original packaging between uses, like tents or inflatable kiddy pools and such.

Trailboss jars are not full. Weight has to do with maintaining price points.

 

[kmw1954]

Trailboss jars are not full. Weight has to do with maintaining price points.

Anyone that has dealt with packaging will tell you, all containers need "Head Space". Look it up.

 

[WeekendReloader]

^^ This
When product is dispensed into the bottles, it is all 'fluffed up'. It then settles during shipment and handling.
Settling also happens in cereal boxes and potato chip bags.

 

[AJC1]

I think people get over energized about this. It is important to use in cost calculations, which makes bulky powders even less cost efficient. I like bulk to give good case fill on older cartridges like 45-70. Compare loads and see what is more cost effective. Our community spending habits control the market and if you dont buy the 12 or 9 oz container, they wont make it any more. The burn rate chart is ever growing and you have a lot of options.

 

[higgite]

Ever filled a powder hopper and tapped on the side of it to settle the powder down before dispensing? Imagine a "1 lb" bottle of fluffy powder doing the same between the filling machine and your LGS' shelf.

 

[RealGun]

Anyone that has dealt with packaging will tell you, all containers need "Head Space". Look it up.

Get some experience with Trailboss and come back.

 

[Rule3]

Gee how many labels on items state "Product sold by weight, not volume, contents may settle"??
The OP is false anyway!

Much to do about nothing

 

[tactikel]

Is the price per ounce commensurate with the jug prices? As long as the $ per ounce is close it is semantics versus rip off.

 

[AJC1]

Is the price per ounce commensurate with the jug prices? As long as the $ per ounce is close it is semantics versus rip off.

For trail boss its definitely not.

 

[Charlie98]

It's my understanding that some powders cost more to produce... W231 is an example.

It's interesting, talking about cost and price points. There are quite a few powders out there that are generally available, like Accurate and Ramshot, let alone powders like Shooters World and other knockoff powders... that cost less but do what more expensive powders do. Why isn't everyone buying those... assuming overall price is such a consideration?

 

[AJC1]

It's my understanding that some powders cost more to produce... W231 is an example.

It's interesting, talking about cost and price points. There are quite a few powders out there that are generally available, like Accurate and Ramshot, let alone powders like Shooters World and other knockoff powders... that cost less but do what more expensive powders do. Why isn't everyone buying those... assuming overall price is such a consideration?

I have no problem buying ramshot anything and I do. The shooters world is more expensive than tac locally so i bought tac. 4064 was the same price as sw 5 dollars more than ramshot. I'll try the cheaper options I'm not bias against anything until I find something I don't like. Power pistol is out of my bench and not welcome back.

 

[Charlie98]

I weigh availability over price in some circumstances... I don't want to go through the trouble of working up a load with X-brand powder... and then it not be available in a year, etc. I'm also very brand conscious, although I've tried to get over that in recent years... sometimes there IS a better mousetrap. TAC is an example... I'd love to try it as a replacement for H335 and, quite possibly, IMR4895. To be honest, I don't fret over a few pennies... or dollars... here and there, that's not my style.

 

[cfullgraf]

In the mid-1980's, I discovered my "One Pound" tin of Dupont 700-X only had 8 oz of powder in it per the label on the tin. Since then, I've always paid attention to the net weight printed on the container's label.

If I remember correctly, Hodgdon puts 14 oz. 700-X in their standard "One Pound" bottle.