When The President Won't Protect Our Borders

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It sounds intriguing, but a search on Google doesn't show much on a company called "RL Services International Security". You'd think a company with the high end talent they claim would have some info on them.

Anyone know anything about these people?
 
Its very difficult to understand why MS-13, or any criminal organization for that matter, would knowingly meet with groups like Al-Qaeda.

For a start, you move yourself out of the bracket of being a LE problem into being one of National Security, which of course means that the gloves are off and they (instead of being worried about wiretaps and warrants) now have to consider drones dropping missiles on them. Its all very well being lawyered up but if the US has no interest in slapping cuffs on you as long as you end up dead legal advice is useless.

Secondly, its on rense.com. The fact that elsewhere on the site a mini-Rense thinks that the cartoons and the mobs protesting against the cartoons are all provocations by the West, specifically Prince Phillip and Prince Bernard of the Netherlands, should suggest that it may well be a big old pile of BS.
 
Has anyone raised this question at a Presidential press conference?

Has anyone in Congress--other than perhaps Tom Tancredo and a couple of other mavericks--spoken out publicly in open forum, challenging the White House to take action?

It's clear we need to apply some heat. Bush's remarks after the SOTU address were the same old rehash of platitudes about hardworking Mexican moms and dads and border-breaching "family values." W. clearly needs to be called out on this and read the riot act.
 
What isn't a pile of b.s. is that thousands of illegal aliens are entering the U.S. daily, that MS-13 is establishing a growing presence on this side of the border, that a lot of Middle Eastern people are getting into this country illegally. We don't need to conflate the threats to know we've got trouble.
 
agricola said:
Its very difficult to understand why MS-13, or any criminal organization for that matter, would knowingly meet with groups like Al-Qaeda.

For a start, you move yourself out of the bracket of being a LE problem into being one of National Security, which of course means that the gloves are off and they (instead of being worried about wiretaps and warrants) now have to consider drones dropping missiles on them. Its all very well being lawyered up but if the US has no interest in slapping cuffs on you as long as you end up dead legal advice is useless.

Secondly, its on rense.com. The fact that elsewhere on the site a mini-Rense thinks that the cartoons and the mobs protesting against the cartoons are all provocations by the West, specifically Prince Phillip and Prince Bernard of the Netherlands, should suggest that it may well be a big old pile of BS.
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Rense has some 'out-there' stuff on the site, but Wooldridge is a credible source. Now, about that message?
Biker
 
agricola said:
Its very difficult to understand why MS-13, or any criminal organization for that matter, would knowingly meet with groups like Al-Qaeda.

For a start, you move yourself out of the bracket of being a LE problem into being one of National Security, which of course means that the gloves are off and they (instead of being worried about wiretaps and warrants) now have to consider drones dropping missiles on them. Its all very well being lawyered up but if the US has no interest in slapping cuffs on you as long as you end up dead legal advice is useless.

Secondly, its on rense.com. The fact that elsewhere on the site a mini-Rense thinks that the cartoons and the mobs protesting against the cartoons are all provocations by the West, specifically Prince Phillip and Prince Bernard of the Netherlands, should suggest that it may well be a big old pile of BS.
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MS13 are just business men, if moving terrorists pays better than moving illegals/drugs then they'll adjust their business model to suit. I mean it's not like they obey any of our laws is it?
 
Biker said:
Food for thought..
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Biker: I read the article by Frosty Wooldridge and I certainly agree that the border issue proves a nagging and very obvious hole in our domestic security. What I find lacking is the lack of answers and/or alternatives from those that criticize the current administration. Indeed, Mr. Wooldridge surfaces lots of blame but few new ideas for border security.

Before you get too defensive, though, let me say on the outset that I feel Bush's whole plan for border security is lacking as well. However, I have heard precious few new ideas from anyone.

Do we build a huge fence on the southern border? If so, who pays for it? State or Federal? Wouldn't the illegals simply tunnel underneath? (See related story on California tunnel.)

Do we stop all southern immigration? Do we stop all amnesty programs?

Do we move the National Guard to our southern border? (Contrary to liberal claims, border states have ample National Guard troops free to do this guard duty.)

Do we set up a mine field or similar passive defense on the border? (Some have suggested myriad ideas of border deterrence, including impassive barriers, animal guard defense, and even electric/shock barriers).

In short, what is lacking is new ideas or committment to old ideas backed with new finances from the federal and state level. This lack of support comes from both Republicans and Democrats, so I hardly think you can pin this on the current administration... illegal aliens have been a problem for decades and they cannot be only addressed at the federal level...State involvement is also necessary.

I agree that MS-13 gang members, Al Qaeda terrorists, and like dangers, are all a threat from both north and south borders.

What to do?

And if something is decided to be done quickly in regard to border security, will the opposition party be willing to pay for it, or will they add that to their criticism of deficit spending?
 
Biker said:
Rense has some 'out-there' stuff on the site, but Wooldridge is a credible source. Now, about that message?
Biker
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message?

Also Woolridge is a one-issue ranter as a check of his previous articles suggests.

He ties Muslim terrorists to the Mexican border more to illustrate his antipathy towards illegal immigration of Hispanics than because of any verifiable problem with Muslim terrorists getting in that way. As the three main attacks since 2000 have shown (NY, Madrid and London) Al-Qaeda operatives have all been "legal" in the country concerned, either on visas or already resident in the countries concerned.
 
Hey Biker, how you doing? Illegals crossing the border has been a long old problem. I know you dislike Bush like the plague and this thread will just turn into another Bush bashing thread. OK enough said there.
Anyway I agree that illegals crossing the border is a serious problem. Maybe a good question to ask would be how to prevent this? Instead of just blaming one person for this problem that didn't start because of him. I know the obvious answer is lets just mass troops,tanks,artillery and B52 bombers along the border. Yes it does sound good but it's not that simple. For starters there are many good reasons for illegals to come here. Hence a demand. I know california passed a law that when someone registers to vote there is a question that says are you a US citizen. You simply check yes or no. Guess what, the law they passed makes it illegal to ask for proof of citizenship!!:fire: Here in Illinois we have a certain politician campaining on the promise to fight illegal aliens. Guess what he is publicly chastized and labeled a racist for wanting to enforce the law. Now how are we supposed to stop illegals from crossing the border when the government welcomes them with open arms and preferential treatment for being an illegal alien? Another good question is how can this be solely Bushs fault?
I believe in canada(those of you from canada correct me if I'm wrong)you can't get a job without citizenship. That sounds like a good start but not if you ask someone if their a citizen and it against the law to make them prove it!!!:fire: :cuss: :banghead: OK let the Bush bashing begin........:neener:
 
Camp David, you ol' SOB:) ,

A lot of your ideas a great. Fence? Good idea. It would pay for itself before long just as a consequence of not having to pay for the many programs that illegals are now eligable for in one form or another, not to mention the savings we *might* incur by preventing another terrorist attack. The feds apparantly don't mind spending money, so they could swing it judging from their recent fiscal performances. Tunnels? Maybe, but the flow would be greatly reduced and we could concentrate more of our efforts on that threat if the Wall was up.
Yes, we put a 10 year moratorium on immigration until we sort the present mess out.
The NG is a good idea, but nix the minefields, bombers and all that. The above measures should slow the flood to a trickle. 'Sides, minefields are messy and loud.;)
You're right, the problem is an old one, but *right now*, this POTUS can do something about it instead of encouraging it.
Biker
 
There are 3 kinds of terrorists so far as I know.

1) the true believers.
The grunts, the whackjobs who blow themselves up or run in front of a machine gun. People who honestly believe there are virgins on the other side waiting for them.

2) the mercinaries.
Gunmen, bomb makers, kidnappers, the kind who will do anything for a buck. You got poor countries with lots of capable men who need to eat. To feed themselves they will do anything from dig a weapons cash to make impromptu landmines out of household goods.

3) the money men.
Those who pay for the services of 1&2 out of their pockets, or coerce others into giving them the money for it. The preachers, the extremely wealthy and the knee breaking collection agent types who funnel cash from one side of the globe to the other.

Bear in mind that organized criminals (or street gangs for that matter) often dont have a patriotic bone in their body. They also dont have to believe in Islam to be hired or accept payment for their next job.

Would alqueda fall into ranks with ms-13?
Directly, I doubt they would keep an open alliance...but the deals wont be signed on alqueda letterhead.

A mexican gang could easily be performing logicstics jobs for an arab terrorist network without the other knowing, and it woud be damn hard to prove it.

I think the problems here are:
1) youve got a slow cooking war brewing on the border thats being ignored.
2) security has not been tightned, crime is on the rise in nearby towns.
3) there are terrorists out to hit you wherever your weakest.

Murphys law says somethings bound to happen there.
 
Eventually, we are going to get bushwhacked again, this time by land. They who traffic people over the border for a grand, would traffic a nuke or two for just a bit more green than that.

Then all the president's men would throw their girlie limbs into the air, scatter ashes over their dramatically unkempt hair, and sing the "Who'd've thunk" choir...

:barf: :barf: :barf:
 
longeyes said:
It's clear we need to apply some heat. Bush's remarks after the SOTU address were the same old rehash of platitudes about hardworking Mexican moms and dads and border-breaching "family values." W. clearly needs to be called out on this and read the riot act.
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Won't work. I've lost count of how many letters I have written to the White House on the subject. He's immune to heat.

Remember his predecessor, Ronald Reagan? Nicknamed "Teflon Ron" because nobody could make any dirt stick to him? If Reagan was "Teflon Ron," then I think GWB must be "Asbestos George" (or maybe "Nomex George," since asbestos has pretty much been regulated out of existence).
 
Many of the arguments made are valid. Many have been reported elsewhere.

I went to the website. The following is gut feeling only no hard facts, but my BS meter is ringing loud. Particularly the vaugeness of the type of equipment and the listing of accolades about the person associated with them that is a specalist in Radiation Physics.

Perhaps the frequent donate icons have something to do with it ?:rolleyes:

NukemJim
 
Story on Fox last night about our Texas Guv Rick Perry taking action on his own by creating some sort of special force to do something. He's gotten so much heat from out-gunned, out-manned south Texas deputies, and there's been so much press on firefights, he had to do something. Link: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3649256.html

Dammit, I KNEW we were gonna have to do this ourselves...
 
AAARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!

Its bad enough that those charged with defending this nations borders sit on their hands and do nothing, now an agent of the Dallas School Board wants the hire ILLEGAL ALIENS to teach bilingual classes! :fire: :fire: :fire:
Illegal educators for hire?

Hurdle in using these bilingual teachers: U.S. law prohibits it


11:56 AM CST on Tuesday, February 7, 2006

By TAWNELL D. HOBBS / The Dallas Morning News

Dallas' school district has a shortage of bilingual teachers.

DISD trustee Joe May knows where he can find a lot of people who speak Spanish fluently and are already in the country. And he'd like to put them to work.

But there's at least one big hurdle: The school district cannot knowingly hire illegal immigrants because it's against federal law.

Mr. May wants to amend that so the district can hire illegal immigrants who are college-educated and can qualify for the district's emergency teaching certification program. The issue will be discussed at the school board's policy briefing today.

Mr. May believes that amending the law would help alleviate a shortage of bilingual teachers. DISD hopes to fill more than 400 bilingual teaching positions next school year.

"We're paying for DISD people to go over" to other countries to recruit bilingual teachers, Mr. May said. "It makes sense if we set up shop over here. We can build an employment base in our own market."

Some Dallas Independent School District trustees said they look forward to discussing the issue while others are treading cautiously. The district's attorneys will also participate in the discussion at today's meeting.

"I'm open to listening to the legal points they might make," trustee Hollis Brashear said. "But I don't know if we can discuss something that involves not complying with U.S. law."

Trustee Jerome Garza said it's an interesting topic that should be discussed.

"We as trustees can no longer solve problems like we did 10 years ago," Mr. Garza said. "We have to be innovative."

For Mr. May, no idea is too far-fetched. Last year, he successfully pushed a proposal, initially greeted with considerable skepticism, that requires some principals to become bilingual. The issue divided blacks and Hispanics and received nationwide attention.

DISD Superintendent Michael Hinojosa said Mr. May's kind of grass-roots effort is how laws are changed. He said the hiring proposal is something he could support as long as it's done legally.

Dr. Hinojosa said he empathizes with young children who enter the U.S. illegally with their parents and find their job prospects limited in adulthood.

"It wasn't their fault they were brought here," Dr. Hinojosa said. "Their parents brought them."

But the proposal may become, even briefly, a lightning rod for the national debate over illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants number in the millions. A temporary worker plan proposed by President Bush recently has come under fire. The plan would grant visas to many undocumented immigrants, in hopes that it would stem the tide of people entering the U.S. illegally to work. It would also allow law enforcement to focus more on homeland defense.

Federal officials responded Monday to questions about Mr. May's proposal by reciting the current law.

"It's illegal to knowingly hire or continue to employ illegal aliens," said Carl Rusnok, regional communications director for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. "Unless you're in this country legally, it's illegal for you to work."

Under federal law, employers who knowingly hire unauthorized workers face criminal prosecution and substantial fines.

Some districts, including DISD, go abroad to recruit bilingual teachers and help applicants obtain their work visas.

But getting a work visa isn't an option for illegal immigrants already here, said Maria Elena Garcia-Upson, regional communications manager for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

"While we empathize and sympathize with these individuals, there is an orderly fashion in which one can immigrate to this country," Ms. Garcia-Upson said.

John Keeley, director of communications for the Center for Immigration Studies, a nonprofit group that seeks to have fewer immigrants in the U.S., said Mr. May's proposal sends the wrong message to students.

"Within the education community, you expect a higher degree for the rule of the law," he said.

But Joe Campos, executive manager of the League of United Latin American Citizens, said DISD should push to get the residency requirement waived.

"They can be good productive citizens," Mr. Campos said. "Why not give them the opportunity?"

Mr. May believes it's time to change laws to address illegal immigrants who have been in the U.S. for years.

"They're basically American people when you get down to it," he said.

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Source: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/020706dnmetillegalhire.e370b4.html

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What a bunch of...<deep breath> NOPE, not goona violate the Art's Grandma rule, even in another language.
 
It's a real good thing that Art's Grandma can't read minds.:mad:
Biker
 
i think we all know it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
 
Camp David said:
Mr. Wooldridge surfaces lots of blame but few new ideas for border security.
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One quick note, C.D.

It's not our job to solve problems like that. We hire folks to do that for us. If we're real careful in our hiring practices, we hire folks that are smarter than we are, and everything works like it should. Lately is seems like we've been getting lax in our interview process.

Our job is to work, and produce, and pay taxes, so the folks we hire have ample cash with which to solve our problems. That cash isn't really supposed to be used to solve other nations' problems, but hey; whatcha gonna do?
 
We have a major problem with borders. We have an even larger problem with out elected officials not beholding to those who elected them. Instead our elected officials are beholding to those who fund them. Never in my active political life have I ever seen such a deep divide between the taxpaying class and the ruling class. We have politicans who thump their tubs about have a mandate when they get 4 percentage point ahead of the opposition. With illegal border crossing the numbers are like 60 percentage points difference. So if 4 points is a mandate what do you call 60 points? It is clear to me this is one area where the ruling class has decided to overrule the voters and the taxpaying class.

I would love to know the reason for selling out our country. I can postulate any number of theories but they are just that, theories. Someone on the inside will have to have a fit of conscious and 'fess up.
 
Don't we have to confront that persistent threads about illegal immigration have no gun connection and would be related to civil liberties only by a deliberate abstraction, justifying a popular topic? I am weary of reading through threads that have nothing to do with guns or a reason for subscribing to THR. There are plenty of other venues for ragging on the administration on other issues.
 
[QUOTEDon't we have to confront that persistent threads about illegal immigration have no gun connection and would be related to civil liberties only by a deliberate abstraction, justifying a popular topic? I am weary of reading through threads that have nothing to do with guns or a reason for subscribing to THR. There are plenty of other venues for ragging on the administration on other issues.
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I believe it does relate to our freedom which makes it as important as the gun issue. Not trying to be rude but when I see threads I have no interest
in I simply click and move.
 
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