frankenstein406
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when supply catches up with demand?
When will or if the frenzy buying of reloading stuff end?
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ranger335v
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"2017?"
I'm only authorised to give the day and hour, the year is classified information.
I'm only authorised to give the day and hour, the year is classified information.
Peter M. Eick
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Those of us who have been to this rodeo before know it is actually getting close to over. I think we will hit a new normal by October and then it will be time for the heavy users like myself to start to slowly stock up again.
The key learning I had on the last couple was to maintain at least a years supply of resources, preferably two. I am slowly coming down to 1 year so it is time to start to think about stocking up.
What I do is watch the sales and only buy on sale. Buy as much as you can afford and store it. I have also found that when you buy large enough piles at once, vendors will give you "off book" discounts. For example, my last primer order we got at $16.00/1000 when the going rate on sale was $25/1000. Buy 100,000 primers at a whack and you can ask for those type of discounts. Buy a 1000 and you just get laughed at.
The key learning I had on the last couple was to maintain at least a years supply of resources, preferably two. I am slowly coming down to 1 year so it is time to start to think about stocking up.
What I do is watch the sales and only buy on sale. Buy as much as you can afford and store it. I have also found that when you buy large enough piles at once, vendors will give you "off book" discounts. For example, my last primer order we got at $16.00/1000 when the going rate on sale was $25/1000. Buy 100,000 primers at a whack and you can ask for those type of discounts. Buy a 1000 and you just get laughed at.
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It never ceases to amaze me how stupid we can be
My buddy's reloading store is getting pretty much back to pre-panic levels of stock. Lots of powders, primers back in stock and even bullets becoming available again. Prices are a little higher, but that's only because his suppliers are charging more. He's always had the best prices in town.
No, he doesn't ship!
No, he doesn't ship!
HOWARD J
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I have been reloading for about 40 years
I don't need to buy anything----there is nothing to buy around here if I did.
One local gun shop got in 200# of powder---was sold out in about 2 hours with a limit of
1 #
I don't need to buy anything----there is nothing to buy around here if I did.
One local gun shop got in 200# of powder---was sold out in about 2 hours with a limit of
1 #
RealGun
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I don't think we can count on this being just another cycle, because at no time in the past did government agencies put such a strain on raw materials and manufacturing capacities by buying obscene quantities and making every agency, even those without deadly force enforcement responsibilities or obvious need for armed protection in their work, into armies of the executive branch, complete with multiyear supply lines and armories.
If you're going to buy very large quantities of components, be careful to follow law or code. In Florida, once you exceed a certain lbs of powder, they have to be stored in a 1" (nominal) thickness WOOD container. Max limit for a residence if I remember is 150 # of powder.
There may be code for primer storage, though this is not as often specified in my (limited) experience. You might consider building wooden box structures that allow for storage of larger quantities of primers, and perhaps to avoid having them too concentrated. Not so many alltogether!
There may be code for primer storage, though this is not as often specified in my (limited) experience. You might consider building wooden box structures that allow for storage of larger quantities of primers, and perhaps to avoid having them too concentrated. Not so many alltogether!
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Honestly, there is so much more going on in the world than just short ammo supply.The materials to make ammo are being messed with. I am not a conspiracy nut, but once you start reading , you see that there is BS going on. Prices for metals are being manipulated in ways we can not imagine. Driving up costs , that we accept ,not knowing .
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/business/a-shuffle-of-aluminum-but-to-banks-pure-gold.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/business/a-shuffle-of-aluminum-but-to-banks-pure-gold.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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Peter M. Eick
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Docsleepy,
You hit the nail on the head that I try to warn folks about buying in bulk. Powder is fairly easy to build a box for and SAAMI puts out detailed instuctions on building one to their specs. The problem is primers. While as a dealer you can store up to 750,000 per pile (if I remember right) as a private cititze you get into the fire code and you need to be careful to not go over 10,000 primers. What is interesting is I can't find any restrictions on how much ammo you can have.
My solution is to job it out and store the primers at friends houses. When I get low I have a list and go get them back as needed.
You hit the nail on the head that I try to warn folks about buying in bulk. Powder is fairly easy to build a box for and SAAMI puts out detailed instuctions on building one to their specs. The problem is primers. While as a dealer you can store up to 750,000 per pile (if I remember right) as a private cititze you get into the fire code and you need to be careful to not go over 10,000 primers. What is interesting is I can't find any restrictions on how much ammo you can have.
My solution is to job it out and store the primers at friends houses. When I get low I have a list and go get them back as needed.
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Peter, do you know how much powder we can have in our homes, and the storage rules?
Peter, do you know how much powder we can have in our homes, and the storage rules?
different for each state. IN fl, I think up to 20 lbs, no problem. Beyond that, need 1" wooden box. I simply "faced" a footlocker with more wood.
I have seen the 10,000 primer thing before somewhere. That is a potential problem for many people. distributing out to friends is one solution. There are probably many others creative people will think of.
Be careful out there, folks. Don't need any tragedies!
The ammo thing is different because then the primers are definitely far apart.
I have seen the 10,000 primer thing before somewhere. That is a potential problem for many people. distributing out to friends is one solution. There are probably many others creative people will think of.
Be careful out there, folks. Don't need any tragedies!
The ammo thing is different because then the primers are definitely far apart.
Rom828
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I got into reloading shortly after 2008 and powder and components have never been plentiful. I just buy what I need when I see it. Was looking for Win 231 but they just happened to get HP38, bingo. Would have never went out of my way to get Trail Boss but I stumbled into a good Armslist deal on lead bullets. Don't be too picky and you'll be fine.
Jesse Heywood
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For me, the shortage will end when I die. Then I won't need any more. 
It's gonna be quite a while, before things get back to "normal". Powder and primers are only made by a couple of companies, and I haven't seen anything about them adding to the manufacturing capacity. They don't see any reason to expand, they can get a better profit margin with things the way they are....
Warners
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I got lucky lately.....a guy on one of the forums that I visit occasionally was moving to Alaska, passing through Canada, and couldn't take his reloading stuff with him. I was able to pick up a brand new 8lb container of W231 for $130. HP38 (same thing as W231) is my favorite powder...very versatile. I don't shoot as much as a lot of guys on here, but I was really getting low on the HP38...down to about a half pound. In the mean time, I picked up a couple pounds of Unique, which I've never used, but read that it's a pretty versatile powder much like HP38. And just last weekend I bought a pound of W296 as I intend to start loading 44 magnum, followed by 357 magnum. A pound of powder really doesn't go too far with full house 44 magnum loads, I'm finding....a little over 300 rounds per pound!
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I just got into reloading because I couldn't find ammunition.
I was able to find the equipment - mostly on ebay and gunbroker.com. (Went with the Lee Hand Press.)
Luckily I found a place about 50 miles from me that has plenty of powder and primers - couldn't order those through the mail. He has stuff the big stores are out of or are charging too much for.
Went back last week and he seemed to have more factory ammo than before. And the stores around here have a little more factory ammo in stock - so maybe things will be back to normal in another 5 or 6 months.
I was able to find the equipment - mostly on ebay and gunbroker.com. (Went with the Lee Hand Press.)
Luckily I found a place about 50 miles from me that has plenty of powder and primers - couldn't order those through the mail. He has stuff the big stores are out of or are charging too much for.
Went back last week and he seemed to have more factory ammo than before. And the stores around here have a little more factory ammo in stock - so maybe things will be back to normal in another 5 or 6 months.
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