When will or if the frenzy buying of reloading stuff end?

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Kachock, have actually gotten PM's from 3 people on this website offering to sell me components. Their price was plain goofy. Have also had 4 members here PM asking if I could hook them up and of course said yes. Two of them went far enough in the process to give me their phone numbers, tell me what they wanted and I picked it up. When it came down to finalizing the deal (I was not adding a single cent to price and actually negotiated really decent prices for what they wanted) neither called me back when I let them know had their primers in hand. So put most into my inventory except a few that went to a neighbor that didn't mind fattening up his stock. That said, am not going to even offer to help folks I don't know personally again with components.

The really weird thing is that through all of this most of the local shops never sold out of their 30 caliber stuff except M1a's. Most of the exotic battle rifles that cost real money even before the panic are still sitting in the racks. I found it odd that folks that were paying anything for AR's or AK's and then panicking when could not get one, didn't even seem to glance at HK's, FN's and such.

Yesterday as I was pilfering one shop I found an "old stock" 500 round package of .308 168 grain Sierra match king bullets that had sat so long the green box was fading toward yellow. Proprietor was so happy to have me ask cost knowing I was a buyer not a tire kicker sold them to me for an even 100 bucks just to get them gone. He said couldn't give away 500 round packages of loose bullets in anything but .223. That was completely odd to me. He also had several older 100 count boxes of GameKings in various calibers. All came in a deal where he bought the inventory from an older gun shop that went out of business. Most had three to four price tags stacked on them. He offered to let me have them at lowest price on boxes. Top sticker on the popular sizes said 29.99 and according to caliber/weight varied from 24.99 to 34.99. On the .284's peeled off top and next one under it said 24.99, peeled that off next said 19.99 and bottom price sticker said 17.99. I put three boxes of .243 cal, three of .257 cal, one of .264 cal, three of .284 cal, three of .338 cal, one of .323 cal, two of .358 cal and four of .375 cal with my 500 .308 MatchKing's and he rang up every 100 count box at 17.99. That said, I don't presently even own a .264, .323 or .375 caliber rifle but why not put them in stock while I can. Never know what your next rifle is going to be. So maybe I am part of the problem buying stuff don't even need but all of what I bought in that deal had sat in his inventory for over three years and no telling how long at the gun shop whose original stock they came from.
No nobody has PM'd me with any offers, I don't buy much online anyway. I have a decent stock and don't really "NEED" anything at the moment. Only thing I could really use is some more range time :) You would not believe how busy the local range is, people are waiting in long lines to shoot, never seen anything like it.
 
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Only thing I could really use is some more range time You would not believe how busy the local range is, people are waiting in long lines to shoot, never seen anything like it.

Guess I am lucky. Can shoot .22lr as much as I want at home. In basement have small bullet trap and as long as only shoot my NFA supressed .22 wife does not mind me busting caps in the house. At work I have a small bore rifle lane outside that can shoot .17 hmr, .22lr, .22 mag up to my .22 hornet. I have targets at 25, 50 and 75 yards. In my warehouse have a bullet trap and shoot from .22lr up to .45 acp inside almost daily. From the bullet trap I have firing lines at 25, 50 and 75 feet. I own a "farm" about 45 minutes from home with a pistol and rifle range. From the bench I have targets at 25, 50, 100, 200, 300 and 400 yards. Dead level and the sun never in your eyes, wind flags every 100 yards, etc. I have access to the local Sheriff's pistol and rifle range by appointment as long as don't bring friends or show up when they are training, local gun range by appointment and several friends close by with lots of ground hogs, coyotes, crows and squirrels they want eradicated. Thus I get to shoot almost daily and have enough variety to keep from getting bored. Do you not have a gun range close by? Our local indoor ranges not busy during the business day. Only evenings and weekends.
 
I guess I'm lucky too, I currently have a 100yrd rifle with the possibility of 1000yrds if I could build a suitable backdrop and a separate pistol range that's up to 12yrds in my backyard. My farm is small but it's narrow and long and I have no neighbors. LOL
 
It's always been " If you snooze you loose "After this is over you may want to stock up every chance you get. I learned that leason 20 years ago. I've never been short.:):)
 
Kachok,

I had some business to take care of at my local club.

Every outdoor pistol pit had people there shooting, and it was hard finding a place to park.
 
I'm guessing about three months. We should know how the political side is going to play out by then, and either things will be banned/restricted, or they won't. I think the worst of the panic buying is over, unless there's an announcement of definite restrictions, which will obviously set off another frenzy, until the legislation were to go into effect, so it wouldn't last long. And if nothing happens in the next three months, then I'm guessing most people have moved on, and we'll see things return to normal. That's my bet, anyway... but, maybe I'm just an optimist.
 
I see no end to the panic buying. Guns, ammo, and components will disappear as soon as they are restocked. Those people caught short-handed or have just decided to get into reloading or have their 1st guns and need ammo are going to make certain they are stocked up and "won't let that happen again". Manufacturers are not going to be able to keep up and this will continue at least for this year and probably into the next, regardless of whether the anti-gun politicians pass any new laws. Prices will fall but probably won't get to the level before all this happened. Just my opinion from a pessimist's viewpoint.
 
I feel very fortunate today, got a phone call about 1130-ish, "Hey, you still want that powder you've been wanting?" I couldn't hardly wait for the garage door to clear, I was gone in 1/2 heartbeat. I finally got 2 one .lb bottles of Win. 231 powder, I about messed myself when the guy handed me the stuff! When I asked him if he could get anymore in 4 lb. containers, he said, "No, this is the biggest I can get." So I ordered 2 more lbs. of 231 and 2 lbs. of AA #5, "Might be awhile before I can get it, but I'll order it for you." This guy's prices were $9.00 a lb. cheaper than the big box joints, won't be going back to SW or Gander anytime soon! I'd rather give this small guy the money than those other clowns!
 
Things will normalize by the end of summer. Manufacturers want to reap the profits so you can bet they will be pumping product out. They learned their lesson last time around as well.

People have short attention spans. I don't expect most first time shooters to amass a stockpile consisting of thousands of rounds. I see most of them forgetting about their new purchase and moving on to the next new thing. I'm counting on this so I can reap the benefits of good deals from a flush market.


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Kachok,

I had some business to take care of at my local club.

Every outdoor pistol pit had people there shooting, and it was hard finding a place to park.
Cars were lined up parked across the street at our range, it was a madhouse, maybe I should open a range, seems business is booming LOL
 
Keeping a minimum 2 year supply stockpiled ahead of components anticipated to be used to reload at current usage has been a VERY good choice on my part. I have been doing it for the past 20 or so years and have never regretted it. Even have 50K of various .22LR ammo ahead at prices that will never be seen again I am afraid.:( I am just lucky that I had the spare cash to invest when I did. Spent a little every week and it did not bother so badly.;) Some of my friends did not and they are not happy about the current situation I am afraid. I will share with them BUT only so much that it does not hurt my situation.
 
Supplies will start being available again when all of the "hoarders" (like me) have built their stockpile up to where they are satisfied. Personally I am still sitting on cases of primers I bought back when the 94 ban was announced. People at that time laughed at me for buying so much. I cannot hardly believe what guys are having to pay now. Just business as usual with our idiots in D.C.

Good to see somebody finally admit to having a 20 year supply of components yet still buy out every shelf they see. I fully expect to find see an episode of that Hoarders show someday where they find a guy with floor to ceiling primers, powder, and cast bullets. I suppose a guy like that would be far too paranoid to let a camera in the house though...

I also get the feeling that most of the component hoarders don't shoot much to begin with. I was just thinking about doing more shooting this year but I've only got 800 primers!
 
Only thing I am short on is bulk 9mm, got plenty of premium HPs but no bulk cheap bullets, 9mm and 223 seem to be the hardest cartrages to get components for right now, did not see ANY of them yesterday. Oddly enough there was plenty of .40 and .45 cal stuff untouched, and there is still a decent supply of 30 cal bullets which surprises me. They were still sold out of my 165gr SGKs but they did have the hefty 180gr SGKs in stock, bought a box just in case I run our of 165s before the season ends.
 
I ordered some stuff from Graf's on the first and it hasn't even shipped yet. I'm not talking about AR mags or 9mm ammo, I ordered 375 Ruger brass and dies and a .379 bullet mold. This is hardly high demand stuff, but all the other guys are in line ahead of me. They told me it will probably ship next week.

Can you imagine what it must be like to be a stock picker or packer at Grafs, Midsouth or Midway? I'll bet those guys are working 12 hour days since before Christmas!
 
Back in May, Midway had a deal on .224 bullets, 500 in a box, I ordered 3 of them, just so I'd have them. Was at a big box store about mid June, saw some 250 packs of bullets, I picked up 4 of those. When I told a buddy about my buys, "What the hell you need so many for?" Guess who wants some? I'd also picked up some powder I like for my .223, stored it away, guess what kinds can't be found now? Yep, most kinds we all use. Plus, at a GS in June, I picked up 4K of SRM primers, "just in case something hits the fan", hope I have enough.
 
Not yet

Still can't get bullets primers or powder in any quantity or fair price around Tucson! It is July now.:cuss:
 
My buddy's reloading store is pretty well stocked again. No, he doesn't ship.
 
The answer is as much politics as it is economics or logistics. The politics get worse by the day. Meanwhile the number of shooters increases. However, I think the heaviest impact will be in minor calibers, especially 9mm. The increase in ammo prices along with component prices and degree of shortages is amazing compared to 2-3 years ago, when we saw $10/box of 50for 115g FMJ. That same ammo is listed today on Gunbot as $21.99.

The explosion, pardon the pun, of reloading should be no surprise, but it also means more people who are not well suited to the disciplines and demands of reloading. For now though, they heavily burden the supplies of components along side the defensive hoarders among the established reloaders.
 
Well, like many of you, I have been teaching others how to reload. I have a new reloader with the Leap press doing 223 and thinking about 3030. Another guy will come over and reload 9 mm on my press. Fellow I got started a little while back has added a turret press, the second single stage, classic loaders in all of about five calibers, and he has a stock large enough to find a small war. A very busy friend of mine has bought a single stage press, now loads for Mosin-Nagant as well as 223, also bought classic loaders. His neighbor, a policeman, drug out an old press, and ask for help finding components.

A gal at work, bought an NFA AR 15, a turret, and is ready to reload 9 mm and .223.

With all of us working together, we have managed to purchase enough powder and primers and bullet to get all these people started. Bullets were the hardest.

I tried to get everyone about two or 3 pounds of powder, 2000 primers, and several hundred bullets. I wanted each one of them to get a good feel for what it was like not being able to buy things they wanted. When stuff becomes more available they will buy a larger quantity I hope.
 
Oh, and we just had a 300 yard ballistic target shooting clinic with many of my friends, good attendance, everybody learned a lot.
 
I don't know what everyone's talking about. Component availability is the best it's been since October. Take this for example http://www.midwayusa.com/find?sortby=1&itemsperpage=24&newcategorydimensionid=6291&statuses=In Stock Prices aren't great but they aren't terrible. It's hard to find some things in true bulk quantities but there's stuff available. Small rifle and pistol primers are probably the only exception to things being available, although just the other day Midway had 12,000count packages of Fiocchi SRP's in stock and at least once a week I get a notification for primers in stock. Hell my local Cabela's even had components in stock. It's been months since I've been able to walk in there and have an option of bullets. They had at least 8 different types of .224 bullets for plinking, hunting, and match shooting, over a dozen types of .308 bullets (what I went looking for), and something for every caliber of handgun. Powder was slim but there was something most reloaders could make do with. They even had a good bit of .22lr in stock. And I'm not writing this to brag or rub it in anyone's face. I'm doing it to show that stuff is becoming more available, it just requires a little more digging and patience to find it, and probably a few dollars more.
 
According to several local ranges and gun stores, they have seen historic record setting firearms sales and all the new gun owners need/want to shoot their new guns.

As hard as it is for me to imagine, every time I go to the ranges, I see mounds of new factory spent cases on the range floor. We all know how much factory ammunition have been selling for recently yet people are lined up in long wait lines to shoot with several boxes of factory ammunition in hand. When I talked to some of them, they said with recent increase in crime, they want to be well practiced regardless of the cost of ammunition.

I have recently helped several shooters get started with reloading and some of them are driven to reloading to be more "self reliant/independent" and I am seeing more and more people learning to reload with the perspective of "disaster preparedness".
 
"When will or if the frenzy buying of reloading stuff end? "

August 22, 8:40 AM, CST, is the presently scheduled time but that may change.
 
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