Where does the ACR stand now?

[Broken11b]

For several years, many of us have waited for the ACR. Now it seems that if it is indeed released on time, it will be at a much higher price than was initially quoted, with slightly less features than we thought it would have.

Ive also noticed that for quite some time, whenever one of the X vs Y threads popped up. Many of you have said that you'd rather wait for the ACR, which would be better and cheaper.

So my question is, where does the ACR now stand? Is it still a better value than an XCR, or have better features than a SCAR? How does it now compare to a Ruger556 or even the old standby the AR15?

 

[HorseSoldier]

My current opinion on the ACR is

 

[IndianaBoy]

I still can't figure out what any of the new rifles offer to MOST of us over a standard DI AR. Except for a lighter wallet.


My AR works dirty, it works clean.... cold or hot. Not sure what the others offer except for cool factor.

 

[Quiet]

The AK works good for all social situations.

 

[happygeek]

IndianaBoy wrote:

I still can't figure out what any of the new rifles offer to MOST of us over a standard DI AR. Except for a lighter wallet.


My AR works dirty, it works clean.... cold or hot. Not sure what the others offer except for cool factor.

One of the really nice things about gas pistons is that it allows you to have a folding buttstock. This isn't such a big deal on the range, just a cool looking thing to have really. But if you're in one of those jobs where you're spending 90% plus of your time with your rifle carrying it around and getting in and out of vehicles with it instead of shooting it, it'd be a nice thing to have. The other nice thing about the SCAR is the whole operator level barrel swapping thing. It's supposed to be more reliable, time and tests will tell if that claim holds up in field/combat conditions.

I'm not one of those guys that'll knock the AR though. It has yet to let me down personally, and I gained a lot of confidence in it after firing 3,000 rounds with only one jam, and that was a bad mag's fault. But given comparable reliability, I think I'd rather carry a SCAR.

 

[briansmithwins]

It goes in the pile with the other military pattern rifles that actually haven't made it thru trials and been adopted by a military.

BSW

 

[Z-Michigan]

If the advertised prices are actually for a 3-pack as I'm hoping, well I'll have 3 of them pretty soon.

If they are for a 1-pack as all logic suggests, I don't see myself ever buying one. The SCAR is cheaper and actually a military issue design. The XCR is probably just as good if not better, has been around for several years and costs just over half as much. I think Cerberus may have just blown away their toes and much of their credibility with the type of people who buy those rifles more than once in a lifetime.

 

[MTMilitiaman]

Another Shrubmaster hackjob of a great rifle/concept.

They want ~$2500 for the basic model with the fixed stock and A2 flash suppressor, and over $3000 for the enhanced model with the folding stock and AAC flash suppressor.

"$3000 for a 1/9 non-chrome lined barrel!?!" (Hehe, that video is funny...)

You'd be better off getting a quality AR at half the cost and spending the rest on mags and ammo. I'd get the new LMT piston gun with the Monolith Rail System before I got the ACR. It's got a chrome lined 1/7 twist barrel, the piston operation, the sight options, and can easily be made as ambi as the ACR. Plus it has the barrel change capability. Literally all it lacks is the folding stock of the enhanced model ACR, and I am not willing to pay $1000 or more just for a folding stock. I'd also get a POF AR before I got the ACR.

For $3000, most people are wisely going to get the rifle that actually won the contract--the SCAR.

Otherwise, the RA XCR presents a better value, as well as many ARs.

 

[lopezni]

A C R = another crappy rifle.

 

[happygeek]

For $3000, most people are wisely going to get the rifle that actually won the contract--the SCAR.

and I wouldn't expect the price to stay at $3000 either. The Army is testing it out currently and if they adopt it in any significant numbers, I'd expect the price to drop dramatically. It also just came out, so I'd expect the price to drop a bit over time. Seems like everything costs more when it firsts hits the market.

 

[Gelgoog]

Well I think crapmaster effectively alienated a huge bulk of its clientel who had saved up and we patiently waiting for the ACR to be released.

Now companies like FN, Robinsonarms, Noveske, and LWRC are going to get alot more business. Sure they might sell enough ACRs to keep production going because there are plenty of brainless fanboys out there who have more money then common sense, but it is a colossal failure from my perspective.

Go to any firearms board and you will find probably 10 times more ACR hate then you did before they released the MSRP figures. Considering that it is people like us who troll gunboards that are the people who dish out that kind of money for firearms, and to have so many people pissed off now, does not bold well for Cerberus.

 

[RP88]

I don't see the deal with the folding stock offering anything over the collapsible stock. Just one more thing on the gun to have to fiddle with that may end up getting you shot that doesn't really offer any benefit other than looking cool and tacking on to the cost.

 

[leadcounsel]

The MORE I carefully look at all these overpriced 'vaporware' products like the ACR, piston uppers, Robinson arms, SCAR, etc... the more I think that the good old $500 AK47 or the $700 AR15 works perfectly well. Just keep it cleaned and zeroed and you're good to hook!

 

[The King of Pants]

I was totally on board for one in in whatever we're calling Tan this week with a MSRP in the $1500-$1700 area. At $2600 well, lets see, I could pick up:

a Marlin 1895SBL
a pair of Aimpoint T-1s
a registered Cav Arms Lower
and a really nice, 20" upper

Yeah sure sign me up, Bushmaster.

From where I'm sitting, the ACR went from being a very attractive option for someone without the budget for the FN rifle, to being a ridiculously heavy, under-spec'd, overpriced redundancy.

 

[giggitygiggity]

Advanced Combat Rifle.

 

[Girodin]

From where I'm sitting, the ACR went from being a very attractive option for someone without the budget for the FN rifle, to being a ridiculously heavy, under-spec'd, overpriced redundancy.

Other than to own an exemplar any reasoning to buy the ACR is now a pretty hard sell. Of course MSRP can sometimes be a long ways off of what you can find things for retail. I'd be more interested to know dealer price.

'vaporware' products like the ACR, piston uppers, Robinson arms, SCAR, etc..

How is the XCR or a piston upper vaporware? Vaporeware refers to a product that doesn't exist and you cannot buy. XCRs have been out for years and I could go buy a piston AR in the morning if I wanted to.

The only thing that could reasonably explain the ACR price point to me is that their capacity to produce it is very low so even at an inflated price they can still sell every gun they will make.

It certainly doesn't make the ACR an attractive choice compared to the SCAR. I also think the XCR is a more attractive choice to say nothing of a high end AR.

 

[paintballdude902]

acr=

but the shrubmaster that sells it=:banghead:

 

[hadmanysons]

I myself have been looking forward to the ACR for a while now and now it's tainted with anger and disappointment. If those prices ever start coming down and I hear good things about it I might still consider one. Besides, SCARs are approximately $3000 and XCRs are about $2500 in my area so they aren't much of a competition (from a price standpoint).

As far as Bushmaster goes, f@#$ them! f@#$ them sideways!!!

 

[Gungnir]

I myself have been looking forward to the ACR for a while now and now it's tainted with anger and disappointment. If those prices ever start coming down and I hear good things about it I might still consider one. Besides, SCARs are approximately $3000 and XCRs are about $2500 in my area so they aren't much of a competition (from a price standpoint).

As far as Bushmaster goes, f@#$ them! f@#$ them sideways!!!

Go to http://www.robarm.com/shop.aspx

Order direct, get your local FFL to set up the transfer. Significantly less that $2500, even if your transfer costs $200.

 

[cjl8651]

Wow for that price, could get an LWRC M6A2 and an H&K USP.

 

[goldie]

how do they come up with that kind of crazy retail price?it cant be that expensive to produce.they didnt buy all new machinery or open a new facility to make it.the reciever,barrel bolt & carrier are the most expensive parts,besides maybe injection molding the stock & outer shell.those main parts alone couldnt be more than a few hundred dollars?even doubleing those parts & everything else isnt more than 1200.00 or so.talk about a nice mark up..

 

[TexasRifleman]

how do they come up with that kind of crazy retail price?it cant be that expensive to produce.

Because they know they can get that for it at first. Then, after the initial rush, they begin to discount to a "street price" that is acceptable to more.

Not uncommon really, just a bit to the extreme in this case.

What amazes me most is that even at this price people will line up to buy one rather than wait a while and have the price drop a grand or more.

If this one mirrors the past, the very first few to show up at dealer may even sell for MORE than list price.

But hey, capitalism rules, more power to them!

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I don't see the deal with the folding stock offering anything over the collapsible stock. Just one more thing on the gun to have to fiddle with that may end up getting you shot that doesn't really offer any benefit other than looking cool and tacking on to the cost.

So if you can fiddle with it, it will get you killed? Would that not apply to the collapsing stock as well?

Folding stocks offer some nice advantages for packing, getting in and out of vehicles, etc.

 

[Casefull]

The price will be as low as the regular ar is now in a few years. If you have it spend it but the benefits are mostly in the buyers mind. I spend money on performance cars and it is the same thing. There is nothing wrong with these little improvements on these firearms but I sure am not going to be the one to pay for it. It is all just cnc parts put together and competition will make it much cheaper.

 

[wally]

I'm real happy with my Ruger SR556. I'd probably bring home an ACR for a couple hundred more than I paid for the Ruger, for 2X+ not a chance.

--wally.