Where have the "Conservatives" gone?

[Jack19]

Who supports the Constitution in the next election?

Frankly, I see no one.

 

[Art Eatman]

The Constitution is but an impediment to the modern American politician. We've not had a truly politically conservative person in high office for a long, long time. (Ron Paul is rather an anomaly.) Even Reagan began as a Democrat of somewhat conservative persuasion; mostly, he was a patriot.

Since Eisenhower, most of our Presidents have been statist in their political views. A very high percentage of Congress folks are statist. And to call Dubya anything but statist, anything remotely resembling "conservative" is but a bad joke.

Art

 

[jrou111]

Ron Paul

"The gun control debate generally ignores the historical and philosophical underpinnings of the Second amendment. The Second amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny. The Founders knew that unarmed citizens would never be able to overthrow a tyrannical government as they did. They envisioned government as a servant, not a master, of the American people. The muskets they used against the British Army were the assault rifles of that time. It is practical, rather than alarmist, to understand that unarmed citizens cannot be secure in their freedoms."

from Gun control on the back burner

 

[Rasputin747]

I did not even hear about Ron Paul until about 20 minutes ago. I looked more into who he was and what he stood for, and I can say I like the guy enough for him to get my two votes, one in the primary and one in the general. He doen't need to win the primary to get my vote.

 

[thirty-thirty]

If a candidate claims to be a strict Constitutionalist and we elect him, most likely he'll turn out to be a CFR member in disguise. Mass media will not expose the globalists for what they are.
If voting made any difference it would be illegal.
If we get our country back it won't be by voting.

 

[Speer]

Paul is awesome. It's a damn shame he's as "obscure" as he is. But that should change.

I did not even hear about Ron Paul until about 20 minutes ago.

 

[ForeverArmed]

The Constitution is but an impediment to the modern American politician. We've not had a truly politically conservative person in high office for a long, long time. (Ron Paul is rather an anomaly.) Even Reagan began as a Democrat of somewhat conservative persuasion; mostly, he was a patriot.

Since Eisenhower, most of our Presidents have been statist in their political views. A very high percentage of Congress folks are statist. And to call Dubya anything but statist, anything remotely resembling "conservative" is but a bad joke.

You said it.

A few years ago, when I was still regularly posting on AR15.com, I politely pointed those things out (emphasizing the part about Dubya being a false conservative) and was nearly lynched. I was a "liberal," a "Democrat," a "commie," "stupid," I should shoot myself, yadda yadda yadda. Those people were obviously far more loyal to the Republican party than to the Constitution.

I don't know if the General Discussion board at AR15.com has gotten any smarter since then, but nowadays I think more people are waking up to the pseudo-conservatives (i.e., neoconservatives) who have hijacked the Republican party. Whether it's happening on a large enough scale is hard to say at this point. I hope to see one of two things happen: Republicans begin voting Libertarian, or Libertarians take over the Republican Party.

As for Ron Paul, he's like a reincarnation of one of the Founding Fathers -- the avatar of genuine conservatism, in my view. Even if he doesn't win the nomination, I hope his bid at least helps him to reach those people who don't yet understand what conservatism is really about.

 

[ForeverArmed]

Ron Paul

"The gun control debate generally ignores the historical and philosophical underpinnings of the Second amendment. The Second amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny. The Founders knew that unarmed citizens would never be able to overthrow a tyrannical government as they did. They envisioned government as a servant, not a master, of the American people. The muskets they used against the British Army were the assault rifles of that time. It is practical, rather than alarmist, to understand that unarmed citizens cannot be secure in their freedoms."

Is there anyone else in Congress who understands the above?! Even many gun owners don't understand it.

 

[Soybomb]

Who supports the Constitution in the next election?

http://www.lp.org

The only political party I've found so far that seems to truly support freedom.

 

[rojoko]

THere are currently few if any politicians that will publically support the 2nd ammendment. They've seen the writing on the walls... there was only one candidate is the last local election in SoCal that supported the 2nd and his opponent made a BIG thing of of it by stating "The guy is so extreme he supports .50 caliber guns in blah blah blah".. the pro gun candidate got TROUNCED!

You have yet to wake up to the fact that the media has been conditioning the American public for the past 20-30 years.. all those coach potatoes.. just sitting there with the Boob-tube on every night..... between the news and the shows and the old movies from people like Richard Donner.... and who missed all the anti NRA things in those movies?

More over in the 50's and 60's there were programs to teach kids gun handling by letting them shoot BBguns and air rifles in an organzied fashion... so they learned about gun and gun safety... but now you have the kids playing those weird video games... and then get pissed at school.... so they grab Dad's guns and go to school and do whatever....

The problems is that Dad isnt' looking the guns up and making sure that no keys are around... and that the kids are not being brought up responsibly.. and taught such simple issues are gun safety and what guns really can do, etc etc etc....

We live in a very screwed up world and it's only going to get worse... especially if the NRA doesn't change.. NOW!!!

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Where have the "Conservatives" gone?

Who supports the Constitution in the next election?

Frankly, I see no one.

Ron Paul.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

If a candidate claims to be a strict Constitutionalist and we elect him, most likely he'll turn out to be a CFR member in disguise. Mass media will not expose the globalists for what they are.
If voting made any difference it would be illegal.
If we get our country back it won't be by voting.

Sadly, I have the same suspicions.

 

[poor_richard]

Quote:
If a candidate claims to be a strict Constitutionalist and we elect him, most likely he'll turn out to be a CFR member in disguise. Mass media will not expose the globalists for what they are.
If voting made any difference it would be illegal.
If we get our country back it won't be by voting.

Sadly, I have the same suspicions.
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Either that or they do him like one of the Kennedy's.

 

[LAK]

As above. If Ron Paul were to get elected, he'd better fire the entire secret service and start fom scratch with people he knows personally.

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[JohnL2]

Great question.
I think most have absolutely no desire to be in the spotlight. A real good conservative would just want to do their job and go home. And having their lives turned inside out by the media would be a nightmare come true.

Just the nature of the beast.

 

[Henry the Eighth]

I personally do not believe we have had any president that truly believed in the Constitution since Jefferson! It has been down hill since at least Lincoln and his war of conquest. The upcoming 2008 elections are not offering anybody worth anything. I really like Ron Paul, but I have serious doubts as to how far he can go. He has run before and lost miserably.

 

[cracked butt]

The closest a true conservative has gotten to the white house in recent history or held any prominant office for that matter was Newt Gingrich. He got barbequed by the demons and the media because his ideas were dangerous to the progression of socialism.

 

[JohnL2]

Socialism to them might be fairness, and equality for all.
Socialism in its worst form to me is the acceptance of and backwards slide into low standards.

 

[hakr]

Where have the Conservatives gone?

They've gone to flowers, everyone.

The Conservatives lost me when they were subsumed into "the religious right." That was the beginning of the end of the true Conservative movement in this country. True conservatism is very wary of the intrusion of religion into politics, and the adoption of religious social values.

Barry Goldwater was my kind of conservative.

 

[Malone LaVeigh]

Everybody here seems to believe that "true" conservatives support the Constitution. That's not the case in my observation, unless you contort the definition to mean "someone who supports the Constitution," in which case the statement is circular and doesn't mean anything.

There is nothing inherent about being a "Conservative" or holding conservative views that makes someone support the Constitution. A few years ago someone did a poll in which they read the Bill of Rights to a bunch of people and asked them if they could say where it came from. A large number thought it was the Communist Manifesto. People like that sound pretty conservative to me.