TallPine
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Well, I guess this answers the "what caliber for truck gun?" question 
Off-roading can be really tough on vehicles.
Off-roading can be really tough on vehicles.
Where NOT to drive a suburban (gun related) in a big way
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scrat
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thats friggen amazing. they are so lucky to be alive
Rupestris
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I say send him back out there for more practice. Looks like he could use it.
You know. BA/UU/R
Titan6
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Since we don't know what really happened it is easy to blame the pilot. Unless the air controller told him to shoot the suburban (very, very unlikely) the pilot will likely be found liable.
20mm = .8'' this is not very much bigger than 12 gauge. Of course the 20mm travels much faster than a slug and is AP is much heavier and more dense. If they were TPT (likely) rounds they would be a little less dense than lead and traveling quite a bit slower than AP.
20mm = .8'' this is not very much bigger than 12 gauge. Of course the 20mm travels much faster than a slug and is AP is much heavier and more dense. If they were TPT (likely) rounds they would be a little less dense than lead and traveling quite a bit slower than AP.
docfubar
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They were there for joint training. They also had a laser targeting system in the back that somehow turn ON.
docfubar: if that is so, then that could have been an honest mistake. After all, if the pilot was told to strafe a painted target in that local vicinity, say a truck simulating a technical hauling weapons, etc., and saw a suburban driving by that was painted, its only logical for the pilot to assume that that is his target. Hind-sight is always 20/20.
hankdatank1362
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I've got to get one of those 20mm bolt actions from Anzio Ironworks.
M2Pilot
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That should buff right out. Seems there was a sort of similar incident at Ft. Bragg a few years ago. As I recall a couple of guys were off-roading on one of the ranges in their (civilian) jeep,got it stuck,weren't allowed to retreive it, & it became a target.
C96
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That range is hardly on the dark part of the post. It is about 60 miles due west of SLC and about ten miles due north of US 80. I can think of absolutely no reason to be there at night, unless you think you might want to play in a target impact area.
In the far distant past I and friends have traversed that target area after first getting clearance from Hill AFB which used to control the use of the target area.
Also curious about how the two troops got out of the area after the event.
In the far distant past I and friends have traversed that target area after first getting clearance from Hill AFB which used to control the use of the target area.
Also curious about how the two troops got out of the area after the event.
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Busy with what? One of the soldiers female, by chance?
docfubar
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F-16 fires on SUV at Utah Test and Training Range
Publication Tooele Transcript Bulletin
Date April 15, 2008
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Byline Jamie Belnap
by Jamie Belnap
STAFF WRITER
An F-16 fighter jet from Hill Air Force Base opened fire on an SUV carrying two Army soldiers at the Utah Test and Training Range (UTTR) in Tooele County last Tuesday night.
According to a statement released by the base, the pilot was participating in an air-to-ground training exercise in which pilots practice shooting at ground targets. The soldiers on the ground were not directly hit during the incident, which occurred at approximately 11 p.m., but sustained minor injuries while trying to exit their vehicle.
"One incident like this is too many," said Col. Scott Dennis, 388th Fighter Wing commander, in the statement. "While war fighting is a dangerous line of work, we take exhaustive measures to train safely and smartly in the preparation for our combat deployments."
The ground soldiers were part of a Joint Terminal Attack Control unit from Fort Lewis, Wash. They were training to identify enemy targets and direct U.S. aircraft to fire on them. They were treated and released from Mountain West Medical Center and have since returned to their base in Washington.
Training exercises such as these occur both during the day and during the night.
"When we go to combat we have to be ready for 24-hour-a-day operations," said Lt. Beth Woodward, chief public affairs officer for the 388th Fighter Wing. "Our pilots typically train with ground sources during the night and the day."
The UTTR, which is operated and maintained by the 388th Range Squadron, encompasses nearly 2 million acres of land in Tooele County and Nevada. According to Woodward, the restricted airspace is divided into "working sectors" to permit efficient scheduling and safe use of different parts of the range at the same time. Sector boundaries, when possible, match up with natural features distinguishable from above.
Woodward said an ongoing investigation will determine whether the soldiers were in the wrong area of the range or whether the pilot targeted the wrong vehicle, as well as help to prevent future friendly-fire accidents.
The base does not have any recent data on similar incidents on the range, according to Woodward.
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Publication Tooele Transcript Bulletin
Date April 15, 2008
Section(s) Local News
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Byline Jamie Belnap
by Jamie Belnap
STAFF WRITER
An F-16 fighter jet from Hill Air Force Base opened fire on an SUV carrying two Army soldiers at the Utah Test and Training Range (UTTR) in Tooele County last Tuesday night.
According to a statement released by the base, the pilot was participating in an air-to-ground training exercise in which pilots practice shooting at ground targets. The soldiers on the ground were not directly hit during the incident, which occurred at approximately 11 p.m., but sustained minor injuries while trying to exit their vehicle.
"One incident like this is too many," said Col. Scott Dennis, 388th Fighter Wing commander, in the statement. "While war fighting is a dangerous line of work, we take exhaustive measures to train safely and smartly in the preparation for our combat deployments."
The ground soldiers were part of a Joint Terminal Attack Control unit from Fort Lewis, Wash. They were training to identify enemy targets and direct U.S. aircraft to fire on them. They were treated and released from Mountain West Medical Center and have since returned to their base in Washington.
Training exercises such as these occur both during the day and during the night.
"When we go to combat we have to be ready for 24-hour-a-day operations," said Lt. Beth Woodward, chief public affairs officer for the 388th Fighter Wing. "Our pilots typically train with ground sources during the night and the day."
The UTTR, which is operated and maintained by the 388th Range Squadron, encompasses nearly 2 million acres of land in Tooele County and Nevada. According to Woodward, the restricted airspace is divided into "working sectors" to permit efficient scheduling and safe use of different parts of the range at the same time. Sector boundaries, when possible, match up with natural features distinguishable from above.
Woodward said an ongoing investigation will determine whether the soldiers were in the wrong area of the range or whether the pilot targeted the wrong vehicle, as well as help to prevent future friendly-fire accidents.
The base does not have any recent data on similar incidents on the range, according to Woodward.
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C96
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Interesting response
It sure does look like an "indirect" series of holes. I wonder what it takes to be a "direct" hit?
Also a bit curious about the troops using a rental vehicle for training work.
I did do a bit of looking into the test range and it has been a bit upgraded since my trip through in 63.
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It sure does look like an "indirect" series of holes. I wonder what it takes to be a "direct" hit?
Also a bit curious about the troops using a rental vehicle for training work.
I did do a bit of looking into the test range and it has been a bit upgraded since my trip through in 63.
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FieroCDSP
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If this was in night or low-light conditions, the pilot was likely using their NVG's. Two people jumping from a targeted vehicle would be clearly visible both visually and on the aircraft's FLIR sensor. Likely the pilot called in the medics when they bailed from the vehicle and he realized the mistake.
TallPine
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Pilot needs to work on his aim. He seems to be pulling to the right a bit. Too much finger on the trigger ???
chris in va
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Oh man, I'd get that truck's tires fixed and DRIVE IT all over the place. Talk about a conversation piece.
Which begs the question...how did the tires go flat? Especially the front left.
Which begs the question...how did the tires go flat? Especially the front left.
koja48
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Helluvaway to "get caught." Assuming a soldier of each gender, the immediate thought must have been . . . "Damn, your Dad is protective!" (and I am when it comes to MY National Treasure . . . ).
C96
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As FieroCDSP mentioned, I'm sure he was using his night vision gear. I wonder what he said when he saw someone leaving the targeted vehicle? Oh Crap ! or something similar?
I would expect by now many have reviewed his camera footage. It would be interesting to see what the target looked like right before he fired. Any indications that the vehicle was occupied?
I would expect by now many have reviewed his camera footage. It would be interesting to see what the target looked like right before he fired. Any indications that the vehicle was occupied?
Technosavant
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I guess they shouldn't have described their neat rental vehicle to a buddy on the radio net.
And for the record, it looks like the F-16 driver was a Ford guy.
Dorryn
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At night, unexpected target, id say nice accuracy!
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Damn!
That truck is cheese, Swiss Cheese!
That truck is cheese, Swiss Cheese!
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