Where to Buy? What's in Stock? 1860's at Bud's for $271.

[SlowFuse]

Around February there was a thread with some links to EMF with good deals.

Kicking myself for not jumping on one in particular, 51' Navy steel frame for $205...

I think you're right. Might be a bit before supply fully returns on these.

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

Still lots of used guns on the auction sites but their prices are rising I guess in response to the shortage of new ones.

 

[skeeterfogger]

1) If that is Cabelas attitude it seems like a good reason not to buy from them.

2) I own a Pietta Remington and mine is excellent in every way. No breakages of springs at all.
However, the trigger & bolt spring is the most likely spring to break in any SA revolver.
Pietta does have a reputation for broken springs on some batches of guns even after limited use.
Apparently the heat treaters that they use can't do the job consistently right.

3) Triple 7 is scary stuff. High velocity and recoil for equal volumes of BP.
Save it for in-line modern muzzleloaders where you can scrub through the bore.

I'll say it again and again. Pyrodex and every other BP substitute is crap for traditional guns.
Don't use it.
Use GOEX or a premium BP and actually enjoy the hobby of black powder shooting.

Been using Pyrodex for bunch of years. Even in a 46 year old Rogers and Spencer that still has all the original parts. Biggest issues I've seen in 50 years of shooting bp is shooting more load than what provides best accuracy. Yes you might have to an extreme complete cleaning but why wouldn't you do that with any powder.

 

[TWC]

Gun Broker https://www.gunbroker.com/ has N.O.S. revolvers if you don't mind paying 10-20 percent over retail. But you have it in 3 days instead of maybe next month....

 

[arcticap]

Posted 3 days ago on Reddit:
Posted byu/LordBalhsahk 3 days ago

Cap and ball revolver shipments may finally be here from Italy.

I arrived at Cabelas in East Hartford,CT today to see employees offloading a ton of different cap and ball revolvers onto the shelves.
They were also stocking a number of Pedersoli cap/flintlock rifles.
It was basically just a collection of 1851,s, 1860's and rem 1858's, but at least its something.
They had at least 15 different variants on display between all three revolvers.

 

[grter]

Dixie Gun Works sells a slight patina finished Pietta (Dixie Remington New Model Army RH0489) for $399.95 with proper chamber diameter (0.446) to match the bore.which is also 0.446 groove to groove

Aside from the $1000.00 shooters model this is the only current made Italian .44 cap and ball revolver that does not have undersized cylinder bores that I know of. An added plus is it most likely can handle 0.451 round balls fine.

If one wants to avoid the hassle of reaming out cylinders this can be a good affordable out of the factory option.

Dixie's Uberti pocket police and pocket navy models are advertised as measuring 0.370 groove to groove with Chamber diameters of 0.372. (sounds perfect) They come in 5 1/2 and 6 1/2 inch barrel lengths and are $355.00. I don't know of any current Italian .36 caliber that do not have undersized chambers (some grossly.)

They are Uberti Colt copies so expect short arbors but that can be fixed (a hassle but doable.) Also the pocket models have a bad reputation for fit and finish but Mike Beliveau has made a recent video review of a newly made pocket police and it did not seem the have any big problems.

 

[arcticap]

Traditions is offering a new "Deluxe Kentucky Rifle" for 2020 that has double set triggers and a patch box.
It's a .50 with a 1 in 66" twist barrel.
Bud's has it in stock for $395 with free shipping which costs less than some charge for the single trigger model which is hard to find in stock. --->>> https://www.budsgunshop.com/product...muzzleloading+rifle+50+caliber+percussion+335

Edit removed.

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

I noticed that the new Traditions Deluxe Pennsylvania is shorter than the old one.
33 inch barrel instead of 40 inch but the same price at Midway as the longer one which they list as discontinued.

 

[windini]

Traditions is offering a new "Deluxe Kentucky Rifle" for 2020 that has double set triggers and a patch box.
It's a .50 with a 1 in 66" twist barrel.
Bud's has it in stock for $395 with free shipping which costs less than some charge for the single trigger model which is hard to find in stock. --->>> https://www.budsgunshop.com/product...muzzleloading+rifle+50+caliber+percussion+335

Edit: A few hours ater I posted this the price increased to $418.

I followed your link just now, and it came up at $395 again. It also let me put it in my cart, so looks like it is available at that price after all.

Sadly, I'm not buying just now... But someone could!

 

[lonewolf172]

What are some of the alternative places to buy revolvers that might actually have some models in stock when other places don't have many to offer?

I'd like to compile a list of both favorites and alternative places to look for revolvers that are in stock.

For instance, there's some Traditions Pietta 1860's in stock at Bud's Guns at a price of $271.
They come with a 1 year Traditions warranty and the price is lower than Cabela's. --->>> https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/98680/traditions+fr18602+1860+army+44+bp+8

Try the Gun Works

 

[grter]

Dixie Gun Works Remington Revolving carbine (18 inch barrel $625.00) PR0338

This is another Uberti that according to Dixie's website has the cylinder diameter matched to the groove to groove bore diameter (0.450.) They must have recently got these in stock since I remember seeing them out of stock not too long ago. It takes standard Uberti 1858 Remington .44 cal cylinders. If anyone wants extra cylinders they seem to be out of stock.

Can someone tell us the quality of these recent made Uberti Remington cap and ball carbines?

 

[grter]

This is a youtube video I happened to find made 6 years ago (Jun 2014) that dispels the common myth that black powder guns are limited to pathetic ranges of 20 yards or less. I hope these 2020 versions are just as good. His targets start at 100 yards and go up to 120 yards using 28 grains of 3f and a 0.457 round ball with some wads to bring the ball close to the forcing cone. The steel targets are not very big and the gongs keep ringing and ringing. It's music to my ears.

 

[alexander45]

Last I checked the nearest Cabelas had a good stock. [Garner,NC]. Figured out why. They will not ship and do not have them on display. Why,I do not know. Guess they would rather sell higher price modern stuff.

The bass pro buy out is to thank for most of that alot of their lower profit margin stuff has been going away the BP area of their website doesn't even have 90% of the functionality it had before.
and the sales on BP stuff stopped immediately (literally the only reason I shopped there besides the cafeteria and ammo from time to time)

 

[expat_alaska]

Traditions (Pietta) 1851 "Navy" .44 steel frame:

https://www.mandmoutfitters.com

Regards,

Jim

 

[arcticap]

Uberti 1851 London Steel .36 for sale at the Sportsman's Guide.--->>> https://www.sportsmansguide.com/pro...ndon-steel-36-black-powder-revolver?a=1673622
$314.99 with Buyer's Club membership or $349.99 without.
Buyer's Club membership is available as 30 day free trial.

Also:

Uberti 1860 Fluted Cylinder @$332.99 with buyer's club / $369.99 without. --->>> https://www.sportsmansguide.com/pro...d-cylinder-44-black-powder-revolver?a=1673626

Traditions 1860 Brass Engraved @ $314,99 / $349.99.--->>> https://www.sportsmansguide.com/pro...ed-44-caliber-black-powder-revolver?a=1950305

EMF has the Pietta 1851 London .36 in stock for $265. --->>> https://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/1851-Navy-London-Casehardened-Steel-44-7-1-2-110p2321.htm

 

[expat_alaska]

For lack of anything better to do for a couple of hours today, I hit up DGW and EMF for run-of-the mill revolvers, not the "fancies".

In stock:

EMF has only a couple of them in stock, a Pietta 1851 Navy London .44 steel, an 1851 Navy Brass .44, an 1851 Navy Reb Brass.36.

DGW has a Pietta Dance .44, Pietta Remington NMA .44, Uberti Baby Dragoon/Wells Fargo, Uberti 1851 Navy .36 steel, Uberti 2nd Model Dragoon, Uberti 3rd Model Dragoon Military (4-screw CFS), Uberti Leech & Rigdon, Uberti Remington Navy, and quite a few more.

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index...1/category_chain/312,318,321/name/Percussion/

Have a good night!

Regards,

Jim

 

[arcticap]

Fall Creek Suttlery in Indiana has a large variety of Pietta and Uberti revolvers in stock if you don't mind paying extra.
These include Colt 1860, Remington 1858, Remington 1863, 1851 .36 Navy, Walker and more. --->>> http://www.fcsutler.com/fccwrevolvers.asp?

 

[arcticap]

An outfit named Jade-Inc.org has a Traditions 1851 Navy steel frame .44 for $232.17.
However it states "low quantity!". --->>> https://www.jade-inc.org/handguns/b...se-hardened-frame-brass-guard-and-walnut-grip

 

[expat_alaska]

Wow, that is a good price these days! I wonder if Traditions is still honoring their one-year warranties on their Pietta revolvers?

I see where Italy is reinstating lockdowns/curfews nationwide, and I am sure that is going to impact the Italian manufacturers further, in turn creating nearly no availability, if any, in the US.

I think I am just going to sit on the guns I have for now.

Regards,

Jim

 

[electricfactory]

Can you buy direct from EMF ?

EMF has the Pietta 1851 London .36 in stock for $265. --->>> https://www.emf-company.com/store/pc/1851-Navy-London-Casehardened-Steel-44-7-1-2-110p2321.htm

 

[arcticap]

Can you buy direct from EMF ?

Yes. IIRC Russell13 stopped in there and bought a gun from them that wasn't even listed as being in stock on their website.
It's been posted that if a gun has a tiny blemish that most customers wouldn't even notice, they'll inform the buyer and sell it at a discounted price.

I wonder if Traditions is still honoring their one-year warranties on their Pietta revolvers?

Yes I believe so.
Someone on FB received his repaired Traditions rifle a day or two ago that was sent in for a rush repair which means that they're doing rifle warranty repairs.

 

[grter]

Midway is selling Pietta fully fluted (not half fluted) spare cylinders for the Remington New Model Army ("1858" patent cylinder only) for $119.99.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019228838?pid=879888

 

[grter]

First look one immediately can tell these cuts are obviously not uniform. This is not an illusion due to photo angles this is actually an accurate representation of how sloppy these slots are. Is this a bad attempt at hand work or a CNC machine computer gone berserk ? I don't know but it's an astonishing curiosity to me. Sizes and shapes are all over the place.

Midway is selling Pietta fully fluted (not half fluted) spare cylinders for the Remington New Model Army ("1858" patent cylinder only) for $119.99.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019228838?pid=879888

Uh oh you might want to pass on these. The cylinder locking notches are improperly milled in both length (grossly so) and width on a sample I know of. So much so that you can clearly see it with your eyes. Not being too picky about perfect looks it was tried anyway.

Two of the chambers will not lock at all and the cylinder will throw by every time.

Another brand new Pietta locking latch outside of a firearm was tried and sure enough it fit in 4 of the cylinder locking notches but would not bottom out in 2 of them.

When installed there is throw-by every single time on 2 of the 6 chambers. That is unfortunately the obvious problem from the evidence presented.

I don't know if this belongs in the rejected parts bin or if it's the norm for certain sellers. In light of what is seen so far, I do not think this thing is safe to use. I am surprised a CNC machined product presents with defects this gross and am sure this must not have been properly inspected if it was at all.

I hope this is not the new expectations for Pietta quality since up till now everything I have seen or heard of their quality has been exceptional.

Standard Pietta drop in cylinders in the past (Same replica revolver) have been excellent and dropped right in. All of the above pertains to current manufactured products (CNC machined.) Nothing here is vintage.

Cylinder locking notches in my view are nothing to be messed around with unless one has gun smith skills and proper precision machinery. With tiny small scratches in the blueing in front of each notch from the locking latch partially dragging (a normal for Italian imports and considered within spec) I don't know if they will make this right or cry fowl.

Either way this thing was certainly never safe to be sold and should not be resold. Even with the bluing perfectly intact it's not safe.

I may share the response to the email sent when it arrives.

 

[grter]

Will they let me keep this as a paper weight, my first thought is no way, no chance, not for a second longer than they have to. They will likely make me send it back to forever disappear along with the story it tells.

 

[grter]

They contacted me today. They offered a full refund or exchange but they want it back. I am not even going to ask to keep it.