Which 870 for HD?

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I know that this is a kind of stupid question, but which 870 model should I get from home defense? Base model express?


Is there any point in getting a 870 Police? If so what are the different features of the 870 police over the standard 870?
 
Doesn't matter.

Get whatever 870 you can afford, and see that it has an 18" barrel on it, and a stock that is comfortable for you. (That could mean it's fine as is, or, like me, you could get the hogue overmolded 12" LOP stock)
Just yesterday I took posession of an 870 Police Magnum that is a work of art. This one is gloss blue and has positively beautiful wood furniture. I spent $400.
If you want to spend less, ANY 870 with a short barrel is literally the world's best HD pump gun.
For $259 on gunsamerica right now, there'e a wingmaster with an 18" barrel. I'd have bought it if I didn't get this one from Buds.
 
I have both, and its really how much you are willing to spend. My 870HD works good, but I feel its worth an extra $150-200 bucks for a 870P. There is a list of the differences that I am sure you can search for. Also, if you can find an older 870 Wingmaster with an 18" barrel, you will find an diamond usually at a cubic zirconium price.
 
Here's the differences between the Wingmaster, the budget Express, and the Police:


The Express is Remington's "budget" gun, made to compete with the cheaper to make Winchester and Mossberg guns.

The Wingmaster is Remington's "Cadillac" top-of-the-line sporting gun.

The Police is a Wingmaster with a dull finish and is a much more carefully inspected and built gun.

How Remington lowered the Express price was to reduce hand labor to a bare minimum, and to eliminate much of the polishing and de-burring the better quality Wingmaster and Police guns get.

The Express is basically the same forged and milled steel receiver and heavy-duty internals gun the better 870's are, just in a rougher, less well finished form with plastic and MIM parts.

The Express Model has:
A plastic trigger group.
The dimples in the mag tube and the new style plastic magazine retention system, EXCEPT on the extended magazine version, which does NOT have the dimples.
A rougher finish inside and outside, with machine marks and some burrs left.
A rougher, bead blasted blue job.
A less polished bore.
A two piece sleeved barrel. (not 100% sure about this)
Hardwood or synthetic stock, with a sporting-length fore end and pressed-in checkering.
The Defense version has 18", Cylinder bore barrel, with a bead sight.
Some Metal Injection Molded (MIM) parts, like the extractor.
Has the locking safety button.

The Wingmaster has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Wingmaster gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing.
A fine, commercial polished blue finish.
A polished bore.
A chrome plated bolt.
A one piece barrel.
Walnut stocks with the famous "Bowling Pin" finish in gloss or satin. and better checkering.
Wide choices in barrel lengths and choke options.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.
Has the locking safety button.
The Wingmaster is the full top-of-the-line commercial Remington pump gun, and is priced accordingly.

The 870 Police has:
An aluminum trigger group.
The old style magazine retention system.
A much smoother finish inside and out, no machine marks or burrs.
The Police gun receives a higher level of inspection and finishing, and is built in a special area of the factory. The gun receives much more hand inspection to insure total reliability.
A military-grade parkerized finish.
A polished bore.
A one piece barrel.
Walnut or synthetic stock, with a short police-length fore end.
The Remington “R3” super recoil pad that reduces felt recoil by 30%.
Choices in different stocks, including Speed-feed, and others.
18" to 20" improved cylinder barrel, with a wide choice in sights, including rifle, ghost ring, and luminous.
Police options like magazine extenders, forearms with built-in lights, and sling swivels.
Heavy-duty magazine spring.
Heavy-duty trigger-sear spring.
Sling swivel mounts.
No use of MIM parts, the extractor is milled.
The lockable safety is not used on the Police.

The Express is a "bottom of the line" budget gun, the Wingmaster is a "top of the line" sporting gun, the Police is the top-of-the-line in defense guns.
The 870's are generally considered to be the finest quality pump gun made.
 
I'm perfectly content with my 870 express super magnum, 18.5" barrel, 7 shell magazine. Got her from Big5 for $260, plus a $30 rebate check a month or two later :)

I believe the rebate thing is still going on by the way for any remington shotgun.
 
Not a stupid question at all.

There isn't as much practical difference in the two as some would have you believe. Yeah, the 870P has a few parts that are different. But an 870 is still a lot of gun no matter what suffix it wears.

For example, there's a used older model 12 ga. Express gun at my favorite dealer's place. Aluminum trigger plate, muzzle cap detent on the barrel ring thus no magazine tube dimples, birch furniture. And it wears a 20" ImpCyl rifle sighted barrel. I could get it home for about $200-- if I had room for yet another Cinderella 870, that is. And if it's there next month I just might MAKE room for it at that price. Inflation is creeping in everywhere, ya know.

I'd rather have a good used Wingmaster, older Express or LE trade- in Police gun than about any current new production shotgun. Were I to buy new (and in more than 30 years of shooting 870s I have yet to buy a brand new one) I'd really be tempted to get an 870 Police gun.

Look around and see what's lurking on the used racks at your neighborhood FFL dealers' establishments. Hunting season is over for lots of folks and stuff is beginning to come in as it's sold/traded etc. See what's available and take your time evaluationg your options- unless you have more money than time that is. 8^)

lpl/nc
 
I couldnt find the 870 in the remington catalog and buds gun shop only had the 870 police 20 inch, where I want the 18 inch.


Are those reming. tacts replacing the police models? or am I just stupid...:neener:
 
Just about any 870 works pretty darned well for home defence including the longer barreled ones. Don't have to a "tactical" or special model either. Athough some may disagree, at room distances you don't need slugs or buckshot either in my opinion. No. 4, 5 or even 6 shot will do the job. Mine happens to be an older 16 Ga with a 22" barrel and Polychoke.

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The Remington LE site has the one you want.

If you go their main page, there's a pull-down on the bottom right corner for it.
 
If you want an 18" barrel with rifle sights, the Police gun is your only factory option. The 18" Express version comes with bead sights only AFAIK. The 20" Express smoothbore barrel with rifle sights is pretty common out there and there really isn't a lot of difference, though I too prefer the 18" if I can get it.

Adding good sights to a dedicated defensive shotgun is not that big a deal however, if you have a decent gunsmith handy. It's just a matter of what you happen to be comfortable doing, buying used and adaptind to your wants or buying new just the way you want it.

Go to http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/870.htm to see the 870 Police versions currently available.

lpl/nc
 
bakert is right, in my opinion. Any 870 will do the job. I started with a standard 870 Express that wasn't getting much use, installed a Mossy 18.5" barrell, Marble's fiber optic front sight, and Scattergun Tech +2 mag extension. I like the wood, it's staying on there. This home defense tool has everything I want on it, and nothing on it I don't feel I need.



JLaw
 
I recently purchased an 870 express with the 18" barrel and synthetic stocks for HD. It's got everything you want in an HD gun or camp gun. It's tough and dependable with a number of no brain up grade options. Not that they are a requirement.

The price is great too, at first I was a little hesitant to geat the least expensive option for HD, but for me it was alos the best option.
 
What about the 1897 Winchester trench gun? Or the new Norinco reprodutions? White Labs has proofed the Norinco 1897s to 43,000 psi! I'll bet the gun would last forever(almost)
Here's an original Winchester trench gun, US issued.
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Or the new Norinco.
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As far as ammo for a home defense shotgun, I would not even consider buckshot or slugs that could pass through a wall. Stick with no. 6 or 8 shot. What ever would stop in 2 layers of sheetrock. I wonder how no. 4, 2 or BB would do with not passing through a wall.
As ugly as they are, a Poly-Choke could be very useful. Leave it opened up to cylinder, then if you needed you could crank it down to Full.
I have a 20", 8 shot, Stainless Mossberg with cylinder bore. A buddy picked up a regular Mossberg 500 that had been chopped to 18.5" and Poly-choke installed. We were blasting stuff in the woods one day and decided to try them against a piece of plywood. (shooting the cheap 2 3/4 no.8 whatever from Walmart at $3.50 a box) Mine just peppered the plywood at 10 yards. With his on Full, it blew nice 1" holes in the plywood. If I hadn't paid triple for my gun, I would have traded.
 
I would not even consider buckshot or slugs that could pass through a wall. Stick with no. 6 or 8 shot. What ever would stop in 2 layers of sheetrock.

That would be nothing other than a Red Ryder BB gun. Maybe you should be considering pepper spray it won't penetrate 2 layers of sheetrock.
 
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Can't use what you don't have, but I wouldn't go with over a 24" barrel, if you're buying with that mission in mind. I also personally prefer GR sights...maybe partially because I'm a slug man.

Some of the older 870s have the silkiest-smooth actions you can imagine.
 
Not to hijack, but I just picked up an 870 express super magnum, with a looong barrel.

Is it possible to put a magazine extender on this gun? Do I need to modify it because of the "dimples"?

Can you guys recommend a top quality short barrel (18-20"), and a good reliable magazine extender?

Thanks
 
I have a 12 ga double coach gun with 20" bbls and have used it on grouse. You would have to pattern your gun to see where it opens up beyond what would be useable. If you could get your short barrel fitted with choke tubes, then I wouldn't see any reason you couldn't hunt with it.
just my opinion. Another good use for the way ugly Poly-choke.
 
I'm betting that dfariswheel keeps that (useful) description of differences
between 870 models on his desktop to pull out when needed. :)

My suggestion: if you've got the bucks, go with 870P. There is a difference.
 
Offtopic but...

JLaw, I have a similar shell holder on my 870. Does yours slide forward after shooting the gun? Mine does, and it is annoying!
 
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