Which Ak would you choose?

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FNH5-7

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Hey, I'm in the market for a Kalashnikov. I've narrowed my options down to these two. I'd like some feedback before making the decision. Here are the options on the two rifles:

-Russian American Arms, made in Russia, slanted muzzle break, wood stock. Sold by Atlantic Arms.

-UNFIRED Romanian "G" kit on an American made receiver Elk River Tool and Die. Has a Skeleton stock, a flash hider and a utg quad rail. Put together by Special Interest Arms in Nevada. THIS IS NOT A WASR 10 or a SAR.

they both are around the same price

I'm looking for a good quality AK, I know that the AK is not known for accuracy but I would like to have the more accurate of the two. I searched online for info or feedback on Special Interest Arms AK's but I couldn't find any.

Your information will be appreciated.
 
The Atlantic Firearms one is nice, it's built off a Saiga which is a new manufacture rifle.

I would strongly suggest just buying a Saiga for ~$385 and converting it yourself for another $100-200, it only takes a few hours
 
hmm, tough one. I'd say don't get hung up on manufacturers. Reason being, with the way AK's are made there really is going to be no consistancy from one rifle to the next in regards to accuracy. one off the line might be hyper accurate (by AK standards) the one right behind it might be 8 MOA or greater. If you want more accuracy get an AK styled after an RPK, longer barrel slightly better aaccuracy
better way to go would be to pick the features you want, IE underfolding stock or fixed, night sights or regular, wood or plastic.
either way its going to be a crap shoot with accuracy, good luck aand i hope the one you get is as accurate as you'd hoped
 
Any of you guys have some information on Special Interest Arms ? All I could find is that they're located in Nevada.:confused::confused:
 
The Russian American Arms gun is merely a Saiga converted to pistol grip configuration. For less money and a couple of hours of work, you can buy a Saiga and convert it yourself. FYI, some of the ready-made conversions out there at lower price points are known for shoddy work.
 
The Atlantic arms gun is a rip off. Saigas are amongst the best AKs IMO but it is easy to convert one and do a better job than you will get with the Atlantic guns.

In sum, buy a saiga and convert it yourself.
 
Or if you don't feel like messing with all the conversion "stuff" just buy the "saiga butstock" with the pistol grip, But for what it cost you could do the conversion yourself.
 
Thanks for your feedback but does anyone have any feedback or information on Special Interest Arms?
 
Our Saiga conversions are not a rip off and built by the professionals at Red Jacket Firearms and backed up by a lifetime warranty .
 
FNH , we are a distributor direct for Russian American Armory and have been selling Saiga rifle conversions for approx 12 years if you have questions and want the striaght scoop feel free to call or email .
 
Our Saiga conversions are not a rip off

I'm not going to argue a matter of opinion with you. I will simply say that to me it is a "rip off" to pay a much higher price for what I can easily do myself. Others might feel it is worth it to pay for that work to be done. Red jacket does good work. I haven't checked the numbers but I wonder what the price difference would be for a consumer who simply sent their gun to will and cut out the middle man and his markup. That is probably the route I would go is I wanted a Red Jacket gun.

I wouldn't buy from you because your prices are too high on most things anyways. Like your PSLs (or "dragnov style sniper rifles" :rolleyes: as you refer to them) which are $180 more than they can easily be found elsewhere. You are of course free to conduct your business as you see fit, and I am free to comment on it.


Or if you don't feel like messing with all the conversion "stuff" just buy the "saiga butstock" with the pistol grip, But for what it cost you could do the conversion yourself.

Please do your self a favor and don't. That stock does not provide most of the advantages of conversion and non of the real important ones. It also looks very very off if you are going for an AK look.
 
Oh well -

Replace the initials AK

With VZ

And you will have just jumped to

A much better planet.

isher
 
FNH5-7 if you want the straight scoop about saiga rifles, from people who don't have any skin in the game, about what is and is not a good buy head over tot he saiga forums and ask. You can certainly get info from the seller but asking whether it is a good deal might be like asking the barber if you need a haircut.

http://forum.saiga-12.com/
 
I heard that the Saigas do not accept standard AK magazines. Is this true? If so, that seems like a major disadvantage to doing a Saiga/AK conversion. Does anyone have links to people that can do full Saiga/AK conversions? Do the conversions make the Saigas accept AK mags? Thanks.
 
Out of the box, the Saiga does not accept accept AK mags. IIRC, most commercially converted ones do, but some may not.

A file, drill, and a bullet guide, and you can have standard AK mags in there in about ten minutes.

Details in the conversion guide.
 
We would be more than glad to give the guy the honest & straight scoop even if it did not result in a sale from our firm . Since we have been in the AK buisness for a long time and handle over 4000 AK rifles sales a year we may know a little bit about the product lines and get good feedback from our customers . It was a offer to share info not strong arm a sale.
 
FYI we have in the past and still offer discounts to High Road members if you are looking for something please email us and mention your user name for a price quote.
 
they seem to have a good price on the unconverted Saigas. I haven't done to much looking, but haven't seen them for any less than the $359 they have them for in a while. how much discount could a High Road memeber get on an unconverted Saiga??
 
$339 pls ship on the IZ 132 , yes some of our prices are higher and this has to do with if we are a direct distributor for the firm our buy from a secondary source . Again we offer discounts to HR members on firearms and it will vary based on the item etc.
 
Of course, the cz vz 58's are superior in all ways, except most do not accept regular ak mags, bummer. now on Saigas, I love them, and I have seen atlantic Saiga conversions, and they are quite good. So if you have the tools, don't be afraid to do the conversion yourself, but if you don't want to do it, don't be afraid to get an Atlantic conversion, or anyone else you feel can do a saiga conversion, and do it well.

That K-var one above looks pretty B@#$%chin as well...
 
I heard that the Saigas do not accept standard AK magazines. Is this true? If so, that seems like a major disadvantage to doing a Saiga/AK conversion. Does anyone have links to people that can do full Saiga/AK conversions? Do the conversions make the Saigas accept AK mags? Thanks.

A bone stock saiga will not accept standard AK mags. There are two issues, both of which care easily resolved. First the mag catch is different and requires needs to be slightly filed down. Just file a little and try the mag. If it wont fit, file a little more. I go nice and slow filing a little and checking fairly often. Eventual it will fit in like it should.

The second problem is that not all rounds in the magazine will reliably feed. The fix is very very simple. A bullet guide must be installed. Some people make there own. The cut a piece of pipe and shape it. The advatage is it costs a couple dollars. The deisadvantage is that it is more work and likely will require a bit of fitting to get it to work just right. I simply buy a dinzag bullet guide. http://www.dinzagarms.com/ With a BG from dinzag simply drill a hole with the bit he provides and then tap said hole with the tap he provides. Then set the BG in there and put the screw in. I then cycle some rounds. When you are convinced everything is as it should be you can add some lock tight to the screw if you like.

It is pretty simple stuff and now standard AK mags will function.


The other issue is 922r compliance. If the gun is otherwise stock and you put a mag that hold more than 10 rounds in it you have violated federal law! To comply with 922r the gun must have 10 or fewer foreign parts from the list of "evil" parts. The stock saiga has 14 so 4 must be removed. Doing the conversion allows one to get 922r compliant by using a US Fire control group, 3 parts (and it is a much much better trigger to boot) and US made stock and pistol grip (1 part, since the gun had no PG to begin with you don't subtract a part but you don't add one either if the PG is US made). There are other countable parts (fore grip, op rod, etc) thus if you must have a foreign stock or PG or muzzle device, etc there are other ways to achieve compliance.

The work on a basic conversion is pretty simple and it is a fun little project. It is very satisfying to do it one's self. It also gives people new to AKs a very good understanding of how their weapon works. It really is something you would have to try to screw up to do anything serious enough to ruin the gun.

Some people are scared off buy the conversion. Don't be, it is easy. Further you get a brand new Russian built gun not a parts kit build. Saigas are high quality Aks and they just happen to be fairly economical as well if you do the work yourself and shop around when you buy. Sadly the days of saigas for $250 seem to be gone forever. I still find them for as low as $320.

I haven't done to much looking, but haven't seen them for any less than the $359

http://www.classicarms.us/ About half way down. IDK if they are a direct distributor but they have saigas for $339.
 
That K-var rifle looks like a pretty good deal if one is after a more traditional AK look. Without access to a press and/or some ingenuity. I am not sure one could configure a saiga like that for less than $500 on their own.

I am curious if it has a bullet guide or not. If it doesn't a call to dinzag and a 5 minute install will take care of it. Also the 5 round mag is a bit odd, but 20 or 30 round mags are cheap enough and even if the rifle needs modification to make them work it is easily done.
 
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