Which AR-15 would you choose - Noveske or POF

[cchurchi]

For home defence, camping, target shooting and the occasional squirel...

I currently have 2 bushmaster AR-15's and 2 DPMS .308's that do alright, but I'm looking to by a really nice AR-15 before they are banned forever sometime next year.

Has anyone had any experience with the POF gas piston system? I owned a AR-180B that used a piston set up that I wasn't too impressed with because the rod on the AR-180B eventually began damaging the bolt carrier.

The Noveske looks pretty straight forward and has plenty of rails for mounting optics, bipods, and lights.

All opinions and other options are welcome. The budget is $2,000 to $3,000 for the rifle alone.

 

[hags]

Neither, they're too expensive. The gas piston system is not needed and more complex than gas impingement. It offers no real advantage in "my" real world in my opinion.

 

[taliv]

do not get a piston. especially that piston. if you feel tempted to get a piston, call their service dept and try to buy some replacement parts. try to buy replacement parts for an earlier generation.

 

[gvnwst]

i have a POF rifle, and it is not nearly as bad as people say, actually, it is, IMO close to the best on the market. yes, their customer service is horrible, adn the arival date was pushed back about 3 times, but the rifle is amazing. everything is rock solid, and well made. the piston system makes for no bent tubes. that is one thing i hate about regular ARs, bending tubes.

hope this helps

 

[steven58]

I have a 16" P-415 with the P9SX rails upper on an LMT SOPMOD lower and I LOVE it! I had a minor issue with it when it first arrived. Their customer service dept was able to resolve it to my satisfaction in less than 8 days turn around.

Currently it has 1,000 rounds of XM193, 500 Wolf polymer 55gr FMJ, and 2,000 rounds of .22 rimfire via a Ciener conversion kit.

Running an H buffer with a mix of P-mags, no lable Al mags and 15 year old range pick-ups from my Nat. Guard days I have Had only 3 malfunctions: First round ever fired (XM-193) failed to fully chamber the second round out of one of my noname mags, 2 wolf rounds were defective (dented case rims) and failed to chamber fully. All the rest worked fine.

Fantasic QC, fit and finish was perfect. I like the nitrided bbl. Runs clean, low recoil. 5 shot groups range from 2-4" with 193s to sub 1" with 77 grain match ammo using a TA-33R. I have tried the ranging reticule out to 600 yds and it works. Granted, you get patterns not groups but 95% of the holes were in the torso of a life size target.

Would it be my choice for SHTF? no, buy a Colt 6920 so you can scavange parts from anywhere. Does the AR system need a piston? No, it already has one in the bolt. I just wanted a new toy. Do I run it dry? NO, 20-50 Mobil 1 V Twin on all moving parts.
YMMV.

 

[gvnwst]

to add to my earlier post, here are some of the things the POF can do:

4,000 round, no cleaningy, dry run, no failures.

easiest cleaning gun i have, bolt actions included.

1/2" 100yd accuracy.

1.5 MOA accuracy with 55gr wolf junk,

this is a small list of what my POF has done. everyone thought i was crazy to buy a $2,000 AR, but i am glad i did.


P.S. i have the 18" SPR.

 

[Rubber_Duck]

For home defence, camping, target shooting and the occasional squirel...

For these purposes, save your money and get a CMMG or just get a different style of upper. If you want to go all out I would rather have the Colt 6920, and between the two in the OP the Noveske.''

Just my $.02.

 

[cchurchi]

Well, I've spent the evening reading up on these 2 rifles and it looks like I've decided to get a Noveske.

However, I can't seem to find any dealers that have one in stock. Looking for the 14.5 inch with a pined flash suppressor....

 

[Safety First]

However, I can't seem to find any dealers that have one in stock. Looking for the 14.5 inch with a pined flash suppressor....

Have you tried Ranier arms or gone directly to noveske ? I am on the fence to order a Noveske Basic thru my local dealer....good luck....

 

[12131]

Either one is fine, but between the two asked in the OP, I'd take the Noveske first. Nothing wrong with the POF. The Noveske just feels a little more balanced in my hands. Yes, I have both.

 

[rangerruck]

bushy/dpms/remmy, all owned by cerberus; I think they are all about to do piston drives, especially bushy. I think I would wait on that, if not then the Larue, or the POF.

 

[taliv]

doesn't bushy already oem the pof?

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

Noveske

 

[sundance43.5]

LWRC Why would you spend MORE money on a POF when you could have a better rifle in the LWRC, with good customer service to boot. If for some reason you would not get the LWRC, then I would get the Noveske, as they make the finest DI guns available.

 

[rob_s]

Noveske N4, all day long and twice on Sundays.

No point in a piston-operated non-SBR in semi-auto.

Now if you tell me you want a suppressed 10" upper for you registered machine gun, we might have a different topic. Might.

If you just have to have a piston, wait for the Masada. That's what I've decided to do. I prefer the other advantages of the Masada over just having a rifle that's otherwise identical to my existing DI guns.

 

[cchurchi]

For me, customer service is a big part of a purchase this big and POF's sounds a little spotty, at least according to some interweb jockies. I checked out the LWRC and it looks like a fine rifle. They are on a 3.5 month back order however. There are some up for sale on gunbroker though.

I am still leaning towards the Noveske because I've never had any issues with DI. I need to learn more about the differences between the Afghan 5.56mm Rifle for $2,200 and the N4 Light Carbine, Low Profile for $1,900, assuming the Afghan is for sale anywhere.

I really appreciate the opinions and information. My main problem is that I am getting very impatient and I want to pull the trigger on a purchase ASAP.

 

[gvnwst]

yeah, POF's service is horrible, but even if you overlook the GP system, it is IMO a better rifle than the Noveske... Comes with match barrel, top quality trigger, the predator rail system (almost as good as the LMT monolithic rails) and, with teh higher end models, a top quality stock. and it does this while costing about $200 less than the Noveske. (the SPR, top model, costs $2,000, the Noveske i looked at costed $2,200)

 

[cchurchi]

I was going to purchase the Masada but I fear that they are just going to push back the release date even further, as in after HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED bans everything.

I also will get a 10.5 inch barrel for SBR purposes. My current Bushmaster SBR has had at least 7K rounds through it with out a hickup using direct impingement.....

A suppressor though would be a different story, and I could always buy a piston upper if I decide to go that route.

 

[PPGMD]

I have a POF SBR, and I say go with the Noveske N4 Light 16"

 

[sarduy]

For home defence, camping, target shooting and the occasional squirel...

i went this way



CMMG M4

 

[rob_s]

yeah, POF's service is horrible, but even if you overlook the GP system, it is IMO a better rifle than the Noveske... Comes with match barrel, top quality trigger, the predator rail system (almost as good as the LMT monolithic rails) and, with teh higher end models, a top quality stock. and it does this while costing about $200 less than the Noveske. (the SPR, top model, costs $2,000, the Noveske i looked at costed $2,200)

Huh? You quote a $2200 Noveske price, and then say that the POF barrel is better? Huh?

Noveske's barrels are second to none. If you're quoting a price of $2200 then you're talking about one of his stainless barrel'd rifles, and you won't find a better barrel.

You're comparing that to a 4150 POF barrel? Really?

Even if you drop "down" to the N4 Recced at just under $2k, you're still getting a barrel that is head and shoulders above just about anything else out there in 4150. AND you get $250+ worth of BUIS with the purchase.

 

[gvnwst]

You're comparing that to a 4150 POF barrel? Really?

POF uses rock creek barrel blanks. Rock creek makes extremely good barrels, some of the best IMO. i have seen guns with their barrels make .110" groups at 150yd.

 

[cchurchi]

Thanks for all the advice and opinions. I just ordered the 10.5" CQB this morning. I switched the Vltor stock for a Magpul CTR though as I already have one on my .308 AP4, and am very happy with it.

Now I have to decide on a regular upper. Still deciding between the 14.5" N4 light and the 14.5" Afgan which is slightly heaver then the N4 light.

It's 6 weeks out, which is OK because it will give the NFA paperwork a headstart.

Thanks again, this is why I come to THR!

 

[AlexSpartan]

I'm going to disagree with most people here. I think a piston upper for an ar-15 would be a great idea, instead of going with the Masada, XCR, or FN-SCAR or any of the newest rifles of that kind, because of the wide range of spare parts and whatnot available for the AR-15 platform. I don't know how interchangeable some parts will be with the XCRs or Masadas, but I'm willing to bet it's very limited.

This is especially important in the future political climates that are sure to follow this upcoming election. When things finally start to be banned it'll start by everything being taxed and eventually banned, like ammo and spare parts. I'd be pretty upset if something in my brand new Masada or FN-SCAR broke, and parts were not available, turning it into an expensive paper-weight.

Or, hold out and get a Masada or XCR, but be sure to get spare parts immediately, maybe two sets, just to be safe.

 

[Javelin]

Good choice with Noveske. Hands down one of the best firearms in the world.

How much ballistics are you sacrificing going with a 10.5" Noveske barrel vs. a 16"? I have heard it is quite substantial but cannot find the charts that someone posted.