Which is more of a collectible: H&K VP70 or Glock 17 Gen 1?

[el Godfather]

Dear THR:
In your opinion is has more collection value: VP70 or gen1 Glock 17?

Which do you have?


I have VP70. Would like to get Gen1 Glock 17 as well.

Thanks

 

[IdahoHk416]

The Hk hands down. Hk's hold their value very well and the older ones tend to increase in value every year. Look at the Hk P7, MK 23, SP 89, etc. They have all increased in value.

The VP70 was the first polymer framed pistol, and beat Glock to the market by 12 years. Glock was the first ultra successful polymer framed pistol.

I honestly don't look at any Glock as a collectible pistol or an investment, and most other people don't either.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

The HK by far. There are zillions of Gen 1 Glocks floating around out there. They're not rare at all nor particularly collectible to begin with.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

What he said. ^^^^

Some of the earliest Glock 17s may, someday, be collectible. But I wouldn't want to buy one and have to wait for the payoff.

 

[HexHead]

I saw one of those VP70s in box at a LGS the other day for $1299. You'd be lucky to get half that for a Gen1 17.

 

[bannockburn]

I have a 1st Gen. Glock 17 and there's just no way it's ever going to be as valuable as a collectors piece than an HK VP70.

 

[el Godfather]

Agreed.

Anyone know the numbers built for vp70 and Glock 17 Gen1?

 

[herrwalther]

The HK. Unless the G17 was kissed and carried by Gaston himself, it will never be more valuable than a VP70.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

... but only as an investment piece. If shooting it is actually in the cards, I can't think of a reason I would ever want a VP70.

 

[ATLDave]

In 100 years, when Glocks are (perhaps) still popular and many of the original gen 1's have been completely shot out, lost/seized&destroyed, etc., it's possible that they will have more value, just as early 1911's may have more value than rare-er guns made a century ago - their importance/influence gives them some additional value. VP70's are generally viewed as an evolutionary dead end from a gun design perspective, and they won't have that plus-up.

But we're a long way away from that time. A long way. For the next 30 years at least, VP70 has to be more likely to hold/increase collector value.

 

[el Godfather]

... but only as an investment piece. If shooting it is actually in the cards, I can't think of a reason I would ever want a VP70.

It does have a stiff long trigger pull.

 

[1911austin]

Gen 1 Glocks do seem hard to find, but I they tend to sell for the same price as any other used Glock. The HK will sell for a premium.

I would take the Glock for a shooter.

 

[orionengnr]

Only an idiot will ever buy a VP70Z, especially at a premium or as a "collector piece".
That is the biggest POS HK ever produced.
Just because something is rare doesn't make it valuable.
History is full of Edsels.
Successful manufacturers just don't repeat a mistake of that magnitude.
The Glock will never be collectible, but at least it will always be a serviceable, functional handgun, as it was designed to be.

 

[snooperman]

I do not consider the H&K VP 70 a collectible at all. They were produced between 1970-1989 and did not sell well. I shot one many years ago here at my farm range that belonged to a friend. I was not impressed with it and to say the least neither was he. He sold it as soon as he could find another to buy it. I am not a Glock fan , but would take a glock 17 first generation any day over the VP 70. Gunbroker has a VP 70 in excellent shape for $600 now if you want it.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

The LGS has a Gen1 G17 for $300 right now. Half the going rate for a VP70, less than half.

 

[snooperman]

Well, gunbroker has a gen 1 Glock 17 with 8 bids going for $1500 right now and will probably sell for more than that. The first gen Glocks are collectible. And worth far more than the VP 70.

 

[snooperman]

There is another Glock 17 gen 1 also used for $1000 on gunbroker today. Both will sell for much more than any VP 70.

 

[snooperman]

Here are 3 Glock 17 gen 1 I found on gunbroker for sale with their prices: #376106905- 14hrs remaining-8 bids $1500, # 376557753, 1 day going at $1000, #376445379 , 4days going at $995. I rest my case. Snoop

 

[IdahoHk416]

IMO, ANYBODY that is willing to pay $1000+ for a Glock is mentally deficient, to put it nicely. A Glock is a Glock is a Glock. They are all the same, minus small improvements over the years.

 

[DammitBoy]

The HK VP70z is a historically significant pistol and collectible imho. You can find one easily for $500-600 on gunbroker and at gunshows.

Is it a great shooter? No. It has a Horrible trigger. You can improve it with wolfe springs, but its still a crappy trigger.

 

[45_auto]

The first generation Colt Single Action Army was made from 1873 to 1941. They made about 350,000 of them.

You couldn't give them away after WW2. How much is an all original, pristine 1st Gen SAA worth today? Hopefully you're intelligent enough to realize that it is collectible.

Glock sold 350,000 pistols in the whole world (250,000 in the US) between 1983 and 1992. The 2nd Gen came out in 1988, so their are obviously less 1st Gen Glocks than there are Colt 1st Gen SAA's.

Glock Gen 1's today are the equivalent of Colt 1st Gen SAA's in the mid 1900's. They're so common that they're cheap, there's lots of newer, "better" stuff out there. They're beaters and work guns.

Have your grandkids come back 100 years from now and post a new-in-box Gen 1 Glock 17 in the "For Sale" forum (if they're still allowed to own them). There will be so many collectors fighting for it that it will shut down their email.

Same thing has happened to Colt SAA's, 1911's, Garands, M1 Carbines, S&W revolvers, Colt revolvers, Model T Fords, '57 Chevies, etc, etc, etc, just in my lifetime. I have no reason to believe that human nature will change drastically in the next 100 years.

 

[ATLDave]

45_auto, well said. That's a very vivid way of what I was trying to get across earlier. Commonality may work against price today, but it's also indicative of historical significance and icon status. Over time, those later factors will likely make for a higher value than an item that was mass produced, yet in modest quantities, because it was a poor design that had little influence on the art in question.

 

[tarosean]

Same thing has happened to Colt SAA's, 1911's, Garands, M1 Carbines, S&W revolvers, Colt revolvers, Model T Fords, '57 Chevies, etc, etc, etc, just in my lifetime.

Yet there is a rash of others that are not worth jack. None of us own crystal balls that work. So we are left with father time telling us the answer that all speculators want.