Which ones like it dirty?

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I'm still trying to figure out why people clean guns which don't need it, knowing that it can cause damage.
Because some of us were brought up in that "if you shoot it, you clean it" school of thought. We were brainwashed into believing leaving a gun dirty overnight would cause rust, corrosion, degrade accuracy, and devalue the weapon....It took me years to discover that was a crock of BS. Since I discovered the truth, I do more shooting and sleep better at night.
 
the Viet Cong proved it years ago and the sand muslims keep proving it...the Ak 47 hands down....really any weapon made the same way. back 43 years ago, we picked up every AK we would find cause we knew they were gonna go bang
 
I have to clean my 10-22 at about 1200 rounds. At least the chamber. I ran a test to see how long it would go, chamber got dirty enough I had one fire out of battery. Spit lots of stuff out, some directly out through the hole I drilled for cleaning without removing the barrel from the receiver. thank goodness I had safety glasses. Separated the rim, stuck a slug in the bore. I was impressed what a .22lr. could do out of battery. I don't want anything to do with a centerfire out of battery.

You did what? So you could do what?

I hope you were impressed enough to quit drilling unneeded holes in your receivers.
 
A hole in the rear of a 10-22 receiver is no big deal. If you don't have one, the only way to clean the barrel is from the muzzle end or pull the barrel from the receiver. I don't like cleaning rods messing with my nice barrel crown, and if you keep pulling the barrel, soon its too loose. This is on a 1/4" at 50 yds. gun, I wouldn't recommend it for a run of the mill rifle. Most 10-22 stocks cover the entire back of the receiver, the stock it wore at the time left a bit of this hole uncovered, it has a better one now. Now this barrel only gets cleaned every 3k rounds or so, but the chamber gets cleaned every 500 or so. and after the barrel gets cleaned, it takes about 50 rounds to get it shooting again.
 
I clean them after each range session, but then after the last range session when it's confirmed sighted in, I leave it dirty for deer season, as that's is the barrel condition when it printed the final group. I sure don't want to be taking my first shot at a deer at 400 or 500 yards with a clean barrel, thus POI will be different than what it was with a dirty barrel.

As far as storing them, I store them clean, always.

GS
 
db I have a number of 10-22's a while none could be considered 1/4" @ 50 yd guns some are quite accurate.
My point in questioning was drilling the hole in a place that vents gas directly in the face.
Doesn't seem like the best place for a hole regardless of its perceived benefit.
There are accepted ways to clean a bore from the muzzle and the 10-22 is not unique in its configuration.
 
I clean them after each range session, but then after the last range session when it's confirmed sighted in, I leave it dirty for deer season, as that's is the barrel condition when it printed the final group. I sure don't want to be taking my first shot at a deer at 400 or 500 yards with a clean barrel, thus POI will be different than what it was with a dirty barrel.

As far as storing them, I store them clean, always.

GS
I leave my rifle bores fouled during the season. I made an exception for one backup rifle that I will carry with me next month but I'll shoot it at the farm to re-verify it before hunting with it.i'll run a boresnake through the rifle every day that I hunt.

They get a thorough cleaning at the end of the season before they are put up.
 
I just broke down and cleaned the bolt in my AR for the first time. I've had this rifle since 2012, and have only ever ran an occasional patch down the barrel.
 
I'm retired military. It's difficult for me to leave a dirty rifle alone.

Same here. Old habits, beat into you repeatedly, are hard to break.

I'm a recovering clean-a-holic
 
I'm retired military. It's difficult for me to leave a dirty rifle alone.
Same here. Old habits, beat into you repeatedly, are hard to break.

I'm a recovering clean-a-holic

Once you get past the denial the rest becomes easy
 
I shoot a lot of surplus military ammo, some of it as old as seventy years, and I always clean after each session. You can't trust the old stuff. I found out the hard way that com-block ammo that had been loaded as recently as 1996 was corrosive. Rusted the bore on my otherwise pristine New England Westinghouse Mosin Nagant .

On my 22s, I never clean the bore. It just doesn't seem to be necessary. The actions are a different story, especially the autoloaders.

I think an M3A1 grease gun just might give an AK a run for its money when it comes down to "get filthy and still function" test. I was 45 Bravo in Germany in 1969-70. Small arms repair. I spent months at a time at the ranges at Grafenwohr, with a tanker's M3A1 and all the ammo I wanted to shoot, when I wasn't trying to fix that miserable contraption known as an M-73.

I had four mags that actually worked and I must have put 10,000 rounds through that thing. Never cleaned it, never had a single stoppage. It had a paste- like residue everywhere inside the receiver (like a 22) but it never quit. At some point during all this, the hook on the extractor decided to go on R&R, and left the gun, apparently hitching a ride with a bullet. As it is a blowback operated mechanism, the gun ignored all of this and kept chugging along.

I discovered this when I tried to clear the gun in the middle of firing a mag. Since it seemed to still work, I kept right on using it. When I finally DID clean it, I saw the ugliest gouge in the barrel you will ever see, no doubt made by the bullet shoving the extractor out the front.
 
Tark,

When I first joined the Army as a tanker we had those M3A1 as part of our BII. Fired them once a year for familiarization. Don't ever remember cleaning them. Always kinda wanted one.
 
Over cleaning ishard on guns. People who think they need to bring their gun every time wear the barrels out. It doesn't hurt to mob the barrel after a few dozen shots and oil the barrel before long storage. Other than that, I leave them alone. I don't think your gonna lock up a gun until you get it too hot or get it wet and everything days back down solid
 
If you've got stuff you can shoot well enough to tell when accuracy falls off after a few dozen shots but's restored after cleaning, you will understand why .22 rimfire competitors clean after every 40 to 60 record shots. That way, they keep their stuff shooting 1/3 MOA at 50 yards, 2/3 MOA at 100.

Same for centerfire rifles, but at longer ranges.

If you don't, you won't.
 
I've heard that HK G3 pattern rifles don't need much cleaning, but have also heard it's important to scrub the chambers out regularly so you don't clog the flutes. I'm not really sure...
 
I shoot a lot of local rimfire benchrest. Most of the BR .22 shooters I know shot nearly a box of ammo thru a clean barrel before the shoot the first shot for score. They don't clean their barrels til accuracy falls off, which can often be hundress of rounds.
 
Funny, I am not a 1/3 MOA shooter (I wish!), but I can definitely see groups opening after fifty shots through my Buckmark rifle, which most likely is nothing like an Anschultz in the realm of precision.

I see no difference whatsoever when I shoot my Cooey, I clean it because for some unexplainable reason I was brought to think rifles should be kept clean, even if I now understand I am maybe doing more harm than good.

Maybe it comes from hunting with a black powder muzzleloader for so many years. Those must be kept clean.
 
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Tark,

When I first joined the Army as a tanker we had those M3A1 as part of our BII. Fired them once a year for familiarization. Don't ever remember cleaning them. Always kinda wanted one.
I remember seeing M-3A1s in our armory in the brief time I was assigned to an Armor battalion. They looked new and I can't recall ever seeing one outside of the armory.
 
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