Which semi's close after inserting fresh magazine?

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I am shooting and then empty my mag. After ejecting the empty mag I insert a new one. My new PPS requires a little pull on the slide after the new magazine is inserted to chamber a round.

My questions is:

What pistols AUTOMATICALLY close their action when a freshly loaded magazine is inserted?
 
None that I'm aware of. Most people like to slam the mag into the well, which jars the slide enough to release it. It is not a feature of the gun.

It really isn't necessary to do it this way. I could only see it leading to seating and feeding issues in the long run, but probably nothing in the short run.
 
I don't know of any that have that as a design feature. There may be some, I'm just not aware of them. With that said, my Glock 19, and Glock 26 will both do it when you insert an over capacity magazine forcefully (the way it should be done). By over capacity I mean one that carries more rounds than the stock magazine. In the case of the Glock 19, its normal magazine is 15 rounds, so if I use a 17 round magazine it will release the slide when the magazine is driven home. Like wise with the Glock 26. Its normal magazine is 10 rounds, so if I drive in a 15 or 17 round magazine it too will release the slide and chamber the next round.
 
My HK's do that: usp compact and usp tactical 45.
But you've got to insert it with constitution lol.
I haven't tried it with my 1911, but.. I don't plan on it.
 
the HK4.


the hk4 is a bit strange.

if the slide is locked back on an empty magazine pressing the trigger will release the slide.

inserting a magazine when the slide is locked back will release the slide.
 
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I have an old Walther PPK in 7.65 Browning. It's been a while since I've fired it but I think I remember the slide closes when a loaded magazine is inserted. I'll have to take a look when I get home.
 
All good combat pistols will. Most of the HK line does along with the Mausers. It is not a matter of "slamming" the mag in just a function of the pistol. There might be some pistols which inadvertantly close but many are designed that way.
 
All good combat pistols will.
Hmmm...
By design, 1911s don't, xDs don't, Glocks don't, M&Ps don't, 92F/M9s don't, CZs don't, SIGs don't.

But they're probably not good combat pistols.

-Sam :rolleyes:
 
Our Walther P22 does that ... but it shouldn't

Doesn't the HK P7 release the slide when you insert a spare mag and work the squeeze-cocker?

Hokkmike, reloading the PPS will get easier and faster with practice, I've been dry-firing and doing mag changes while watching the idiot box, using the show to provide a cue to fire. Some of that, and some live ammo mag changes at the outdoor range have improved my reload time dramatically. Pulling the slide back to release really doesn't add that much time, it is the fumbling for a spare mag, finding the mag well, and getting it seated that takes up the most time for me ... and the times the empty doesn't fully eject if I fumble the mag release lever, which is getting rarer with practice.
 
One of the few pistols designed to close when a loaded magazine is inserted is the Mauser HSc.

With most other pistols, if the slide closes when a magazine is inserted, the slide stop is malfunctioning.
What's actually happening is the slide stop is not fully engaging on an empty magazine, and when the next mag is inserted, the seating shock causes the stop to "jar off".

In other words, in most pistols its not a feature.... its a failure.
 
The Mauser Models 1910, 1914, 1934, HSc and the H&K Model 4 (an HSc copy) are designed to close automatically when a magazine, loaded or empty, is inserted. In fact, that is the only way they can be closed; many have been damaged by attempts to force them closed without inserting a magazine.

IMHO, the feature is not worth the added complexity of the action, but it works.

Jim
 
Reference post #7

I was incorrect. The slide on my Walther PPK does not close when a loaded magazine is inserted.

My memory (once again) has failed me.
 
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The M&P .45 I bought used does it. The Glock 19 I bought brand new has done it since the first time I took it to the range (I use 10 round limited capacity mags for California; haven't tried any of the normal capacity mags).

At the local range we checked a large number of the pistols and it seemed more than half did it, but some could not be made to do it. Among the ones we were able to get to do it were an M&P 9, while the range's USP .40 did not seem to do it. We tested a bunch...I should have taken notes. You could do the same thing at your local range if they're friendly...hang out and test a bunch of pistols with snap caps to see which ones do it and which ones don't.

Note that both of my pistols do not auto-forward every time, so it's not something you should count on to happen even in a pistol that seems to do it every time.
 
Pretty much all of my HKs do it when the mag is inserted forcefully. Of course, all the P7s do it when you squeeze the cocker.
 
Hmmm...
By design, 1911s don't, xDs don't, Glocks don't, M&Ps don't, 92F/M9s don't, CZs don't, SIGs don't.

As written (by design)this is true, BUT: CZ 75s will close the slide when a magazine is inserted by a good combat reload. I don't mean slammed as hard as possible, but a 'correct' fast firm insert.

If you run the gun dry, the top bullet in the mag will contact and slightly raise the slide causing the slide to release. If mine didn't do this, I would pay extra to have this feature. It definitely makes the reload to next shot much faster with NO safety issues. I've read threads from many CZ shooters that have this same experience and opinion.
 
To whoever said that Glocks, Berettas, Sigs, MP's, don't do it...you are mistaken. Also anybody who says that the gun is defective is also incorrect. It is commonly referred to as a "combat slide" and it is a design feature of a particular firearm. Glocks will do it once they have a few hundred rounds through them to loosen up things, then when a person assertively inserts a loaded magazine it will send the slide home into battery. Berettas do it almost instantly out of the box with little or no break in. Sigs will do it most times after they loosen up a bit, and will do it rather predictably. MP's, the ones I have owned and shot will do it right out of the box. Some 1911's will do it but they have to be built to do it. My kimber won't do it, however my friend has a custom built 1911 made with Caspian frame/slide, and it will do it every time. It is the fastest and most approved way to perform an emergency reload under combat conditions. We qualify and carry Beretta 92's, each and every one does it and it is part of our training to insert the magazine hard enough send the slide home. It does not damage a weapon, it is a design feature of quality combat weapons, not all but most, and it is a feature found on the previously listed pistols. I suggest that anybody who has any of the above mentioned guns actually send a couple thousand rounds downrange and then you will understand what your weapons will do. Or you could just go get some training before you call a gun defective for doing something that most trained professionals want it to do.
 
sokygunner, I think you're out of your mind.

Having shot many thousands of rounds through many of the guns you have named, if any of them slammed shut when the mag seated, I cleaned them thoroughly and replaced a few slide stops. You will not have ANY of those manufacturers tell you that their guns are intended to function this way, new or old, clean or dirty. Clint Smith will not teach you to work your slide and mags until they drop without the stop. If any of my soldiers demonstrate to me that their M-9 is doing this, I will first have them clean it, check their mags, and if it persists, I will tell them to go to the armorer to exchange it as defective and unsafe.
 
mljDechard / Artiz:

New/Used CZ75Bs will do it. Any of my six mags will do it. My gun is also clean and well cared for.

The CZ Custom Shop started/managed by Angus Hobdell acknowledges they do it and that it is is not a malfunction or safety issue. He helped develop and tune the world's most popular IPSC Production gun, the 75 Shadow.

I compete along with a retired Army pistol instructor and special operator who sometimes shoots the Beretta. His does not release the slide with mag insertion.

My Sig 239 won't do it, darn it.
 
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