Whinchester caps

[MICHAEL T]

I went out in back yard to shoot this Afternoon I load up and caped my rifle pulled trigger and pop. Caped 2 more times pop pop Reached in my Bag got out some Remington caps. Tried again It fired. Then just fired another winchester and another Rem. By sound alone the Remington was stronger Bought both cans about a year ago. What gives ?

By way I finished up my shooting by switching to my reliable Flint lock
Then I went back inside got warm and cleaned my rifles

 

[BHP FAN]

I think Remington makes the very best,with CCI a very close second.

 

[mykeal]

Winchester caps are repackaged CCI caps.

CCI/Winchester and Remington caps are not the same sizes, so if you were using No. 10 CCI/Winchester and changed to No. 10 Remingtons, the difference is likely the Remingtons fit better on the nipple cone.

Here's a chart comparing the sizes:

 

[MICHAEL T]

both were #11 and it fine on that rifle Winchester just sounded weaker and of course fail to fire the rifle in 3 tries

 

[fineredmist]

I have given up on trying to fit caps to nipples as they are so inconsistent even in the same lot. I put a slight crimp so they are just out of round and push them on to the nipples so they are tight. Every once in a while I get one that will not fire on the first try because it was not fully seated but they always go on the second go round. The recoil of a 55gr. charge in a WALKER will not jar them loose and that is saying something.

 

[mykeal]

There is a big difference in overall height between CCI/Winchester and Remington No. 11 caps. If the nipple has a tapered cone (I've never seen one that didn't) they cannot both fit well. It is most likely that the CCI/Winchester was not fully seated on the top of the nipple (the 0.166 opening prevented it from sliding down far enough on the cone for the impact sensitive material to rest on the nipple top). The shorter Remington cap would not have this problem and would seat as designed. Failure to set the impact sensitive material on the top of the cone would result in an FTF on the first, and perhaps even the second, hammer strike; each strike would drive the cap further onto the nipple cone until the impact material was resting on the nipple, and the next strike would result in ignition. I believe that's what occurred in the case you describe.

 

[MICHAEL T]

Your miss understanding the caps fired every time but didn't fire the main charge I switched to the Rem and they worked fine. I then just fired a cap the Winchester was lets say a little pop The Rem a Bang

 

[robhof]

Could be a bad batch or they were subjected to a contaminate, such as moisture or oil.

 

[arcticap]

I guess that when we buy any product we take it for granted that it will meet certain quality standards. However any mass produced product, whether it's made by machines with the most modern quality controls or inspected by humans is susceptible to being defective and being sold in the marketplace before they're reported and made apparent to the manufacurer.
It's happens to mass produced ammunition often enough where lots are undercharged or overcharged and recalled, and let's not forget the huge peanut butter recall!
Sometimes they're just not quite sure how far & wide the sub-standard & defective items have been distributed until it's too late.