Who enjoys shooting real antique firearms?

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Who made your Bulldog???, and who was your Remington rolling block made for???...

That darn Rolling block was the best damn designed single shot of all time...

(By the way not ignoring the tip up.. but must stay focused)
 
I'm not sure who made the bulldog, probably belgian made. Remington made the 7mm, nickel receiver or so it's said. Not sure who for, maybe Mexico. Tip up is a Stevens, lol.
 
Very nice, Yeah those darn Remingtons can be hard to ID... It does make you wonder at times how many Belgian made firearms were sold over in the US and used in the Wild West days.
 
Love that 22, it has a lot of class... I think it is beyond awesome on those vintage 22s you can still go to the store (you know back in the day when stores had ammo in them) and walk out with factory ammo that you can shoot, that not changed all that much in 160 years. That is freaking AWESOME..

Oh yeah.. Like the 38 also.. :)
 
indy1919a4 said:
Love that 22, it has a lot of class... I think it is beyond awesome on those vintage 22s you can still go to the store (you know back in the day when stores had ammo in them) and walk out with factory ammo that you can shoot, that not changed all that much in 160 years. That is freaking AWESOME..

Oh yeah.. Like the 38 also.. :)
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I'll bet he's shooting black powder rounds out of that 22. Or 22 CB or BB Caps.
 
Johnm1 said:
I'll bet he's shooting black powder rounds out of that 22. Or 22 CB or BB Caps.
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Those older 22s , even though they started shooting black powder, are many times strong enough for modern shorts.. I do not remember if bb caps even have powder???
 
BB caps are powered by the primer only. The .22 CB Shorts I have contain a very small amount of smokeless powder. You may well be correct. I have compared the factory .22 shorts with a reloaded .22 with black powder and the impulse between the two is significant. I can believe that even though the peak pressures would be about the same, the time to peak pressure is way different. I'm OK shooting the factory shorts in my Stevens break open single shot but shoot black powder reloads in my Hopkins & Allen pull pin 22 short. To each his own.
 
indy1919a4 said:
Those older 22s , even though they started shooting black powder, are many times strong enough for modern shorts.. I do not remember if bb caps even have powder???
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With all due respect, I completely disagree with that statement.

The old revolvers, particularly the Smith and Wesson Tip Ups, are absolutely not strong enough for modern 22 shorts.

I would not dream of shooting a modern 22 Short in any of these S&W Tip Ups or the Manhattan Tip Up at the bottom of the photo.

If I could find any of the old 22 BB caps, which only use the primer and no powder, I would probably use those, but absolutely no modern 22 Shorts.

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Likewise, I will not shoot modern 22 Long rimfire ammution in a S&W Ladysmith.

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Driftwood Johnson said:
With all due respect, I completely disagree with that statement.

The old revolvers, particularly the Smith and Wesson Tip Ups, are absolutely not strong enough for modern 22 shorts.

I would not dream of shooting a modern 22 Short in any of these S&W Tip Ups or the Manhattan Tip Up at the bottom of the photo.

If I could find any of the old 22 BB caps, which only use the primer and no powder, I would probably use those, but absolutely no modern 22 Shorts.

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Likewise, I will not shoot modern 22 Long rimfire ammution in a S&W Ladysmith.

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I look forward to all of your posts. What a collection you have! You also say things better than I can in writing. I too believe that the older 22's made during the black powder days shouldn't be shot with modern ammunition. If nothing else, it will just beat them up for no good reason.

As far as BB Caps go, RWS makes something 'close'. The 6mm Flobert. Powered only by primer but a little oversized. The only problem I have with them is that you can't really shoot a revolver with these as the recoil of the first shot loosens the projectiles in the unfired cases and some fall out. I've been trying to figure a way to dip them in some light glue just to hold them in place when firing more than one shot but haven't come up with reasonable solution yet. They work well in the Stevens (Bottom of this picture)

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I only shoot black powder or the Flobert in the Hopkins & Allen

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These are available. Expensive, but available and make my H&A go bang. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018164377
 
1965tinman said:
here's a colt on the to do list, really need to get some grips. Not sure how well it will hold up, has a replacement " tumbler". It's a 38
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I admire your can-do spirit and moxie. After you get your Colt Lightning up and running, why not try something simpler -- concert harp tuning or negotiating a lasting Middle East peace come to mind. :)

This Colt reminds me of a volunteer job I did about three decades back with a friend at a little museum in Hanford, California. https://www.countyofkings.com/depar...ublic-works/parks-grounds/kings-county-museum

In my day job I worked with one of their board members, who asked me to provide some reasonably knowledgeable help cataloging and displaying their firearm collection. The bulk of this part of the collection was in storage at the time.

One of the first things we came across was a wadded up cloth seed bag, which contained a 3rd Model Colt Dragoon, a beautiful factory engraved (probably Gustave Young) Colt Navy with ivory grips (we wrote to Colt and obtained a confirming letter) and a Colt Lightning in functioning condition, equipped with a set of bizarre handmade set of clear lexan (or similar materal) grips backed with crumpled foil and tiny girly pictures. Evidently the three guns were confiscated by the local PD and donated to the museum, unceremoniously stuffed in the first bag to come to hand. My buddy took this photo right after the discovery.

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Johnm1 said:
I look forward to all of your posts. What a collection you have! You also say things better than I can in writing. I too believe that the older 22's made during the black powder days shouldn't be shot with modern ammunition. If nothing else, it will just beat them up for no good reason.

As far as BB Caps go, RWS makes something 'close'. The 6mm Flobert. Powered only by primer but a little oversized. The only problem I have with them is that you can't really shoot a revolver with these as the recoil of the first shot loosens the projectiles in the unfired cases and some fall out. I've been trying to figure a way to dip them in some light glue just to hold them in place when firing more than one shot but haven't come up with reasonable solution yet. They work well in the Stevens (Bottom of this picture)

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I only shoot black powder or the Flobert in the Hopkins & Allen

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These are available. Expensive, but available and make my H&A go bang. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018164377
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I do like your tip up.. Love the Rifle tip ups also.. Per the RWS floberts.. Ordering them is just so expensive.. Sometimes on Gunbroker you can get a deal.. Also at some gun shows you can get them at reduced price in the Bargain ammo bin.. ..

Have you tried seating the ball /bb a little firmer into the case using deprimed rifle case and put the bb in the primer hole and push it down slightly.
 
Want to shoot groundhogs w my dads artillery luger ( w stock attached ).

Just for kicks
 
In addition to several Krags, one of which I shoot in competition, I am enjoying working this up. Certainly pre- German proof law (1891) and probably between 140 and 150 years old, this 'Mauserbuchsen' (little Mauser) built on an 1871 Mauser pattern receiver and chambered in 9.5x47R (a cutdown 11.15x60R) is a treat to shoot!

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Saw 4 fat chucks on the way to work today.

Much bigger than ground squirrels......
 
Oldest rifles Ive owned were a '35 Savage 99 in .300 sav and a '27 Remington 35 rem pump. Maybe it was a '28. Cant remember.
 
“Antique” means different things to different people. I see 1990’s automobiles driving around in our State with antique plates. The State see’s a 25 year old car the same as my 1923 for Model T.

Most of my firearms are antique by that definition. I still enjoy some of the over 100 year old ones too but will admit to not having a bunch of them.

Having to be careful to not scratch the tub keeps me from shooting black powder rifles much.
 
jmorris said:
“Antique” means different things to different people. I see 1990’s automobiles driving around in our State with antique plates. The State see’s a 25 year old car the same as my 1923 for Model T.
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As I said earlier, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) defines an antique cartridge firearm as one made prior to 1899. That goes back to the gun control act of 1968. Interestingly enough, modern made Cap & Ball revolvers are also defined as antiques too. Many states follow the example of the Federal Govt and also define antiques as having been made prior to 1899. Unlike antique cars, where the goal post is always moving, antique cars are usually defied as being at least 25 years old for insurance purposes, and most states recognize that. So the goal post for antique cars moves every year. But the goal post for what the BATF defines as an antique firearm does not move. An antique firearm must have been made prior to 1899, so antique firearms keep getting older and older.

Curio and Relic licenses, a type of Federal License for gun collectors, defines a Curio as being at least 50 years old. So that goal post is always moving too.

I have a bunch of firearms that are 100 years old or so, but I did not list them in this post because they are not antiques.

For instance this Winchester Model 1873 is an antique because it shipped in 1887. The Colt Bisley is not an antique because it shipped in 1907 or 1908. I would have to look it up to be sure when and I don't have access to that information right now. Yes, it is well over 100 years old, but it is not an antique.


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My hunting shotgun was an 1860s double Belgian back action percussion muzzle loader. Killed a bunch of game with it. A few years ago I looked at the breech with a bore scope. Retired it immediately as the erosion at the breech hadn't left much wall thickness. I also use my great uncles Krag, and another uncles damascus CS Shattuck 10 gauge. I have an original H.Leman 38 cal half stock I'm taking to the squirrel woods this fall.
 
Johnm1 said:
I look forward to all of your posts. What a collection you have! You also say things better than I can in writing. I too believe that the older 22's made during the black powder days shouldn't be shot with modern ammunition. If nothing else, it will just beat them up for no good reason.

As far as BB Caps go, RWS makes something 'close'. The 6mm Flobert. Powered only by primer but a little oversized. The only problem I have with them is that you can't really shoot a revolver with these as the recoil of the first shot loosens the projectiles in the unfired cases and some fall out. I've been trying to figure a way to dip them in some light glue just to hold them in place when firing more than one shot but haven't come up with reasonable solution yet. They work well in the Stevens (Bottom of this picture)

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I only shoot black powder or the Flobert in the Hopkins & Allen

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These are available. Expensive, but available and make my H&A go bang. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018164377
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Here is a screen shot of a video of me shooting the H&A. You can see one of the balls leaving the cylinder as I cocked the gun for another shot. I am considering dipping the tip of the cartridge, the ball and a short portion of the case, in a thinned out Elmer's Glue to help keep the ball in place. I'm not sure that's going to work.

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