Well, after all that talk I made I set here and figured out my budget again and ordered both of those KBar Bowies. The short one and the heavy one. Sometimes I hate myself. I needed those knives like I need another hole in my head. I'vd got knives stuck around all over my home...Well, I do have a lot of loyalty to KBar. But I know these are the last knives I will ever buy and I probably won't ever get around to cutting so much as a piece of string with these. I mostly just use one of my Old Hickory kitchen knives nowadays, maybe sometimes my Leatherman Super Tool. These sure are some pretty Bowies. I went to the link Articap furnished for me. I like those dark blades. I don't really like anything that shines and reflect's light. (that's the old Marine still coming out in me I guess) Anyway I got them. I guess my grand neice will get the short one. She's starting to get off into squirrel and rabbit hunting. She's about 12 years old I think. I'vd already given her 2 or 3 good knives. Started her out with the Air Force survival knife, then moved her up to the new version called an 'ASEK' or something like that. Then she talked me out of a short KBar with the plain edge and brown leather ringed grip. She take's good care of them with no problems except for that time about 6 months ago when she cut her finger sharpening the KBar. Well anyway, I broke down and bought the Bowies., but no cigars next month though.Great White Hunter.