Who makes the best out of the box trigger in a semi auto?

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After firing the sweetness that is my friend's EAA Witness Hunter 10mm, (That name cracks me up, btw.. Must be the official mob gun :D) I'm interested in who makes the "best" trigger out of the box. Might be EAA! Or Tanfoglio. Or whatever they call themselves. That thing put double taps in basically the same hole at 25 yds.

The Glocks, Springfields, and 1911s I have shot just got a lot less attractive..
 
That doesn't really matter to me. What does matter is that it is sized such that it can be my CCW. (That's why "out of the box" interests me- I don't want to carry a modified gun.)
 
Maybe I should also say... Since it would be my CCW, I'd like to keep it under 1K. I'm sure all the custom smiths do wonderful work..
 
P220

The rental P220 I shot was really impressive. Best SA trigger and most accurate gun I have ever shot. For some reason it's a totally different beast than the 2 P226's I shot. (Not saying that the P226 isn't a good gun, but the P220 is a tack driver.)
 
Now that I think more about it, it wasn't just the trigger I was so impressed with. I've shot great triggers before. What really did it was how smooth and fast the trigger reset for double taps. That attribure I have not seen in the pistols I've shot.
 
CZ makes a nice OOB trigger, and its really slick once for shoot about 1000 rounds thru it. CZ compacts are REAL good shooters, witness/baby eagle isnt far off the mark either, witness having the most choices in calibers, slightly lower cost.
 
If you are talking a $500-550 gun from a mas production maker?

Beretta without a doubt for double action and Beretta, CZ, or Sig for single action. Beretta has a long pull but man are they smooth.

ps I do not own a beretta but have fired several.

No kool-aid to drink here.
 
My Walther P99c had a nice trigger right off the bat. Have about 1K through it now and the trigger is even better. Not target stuff, but perfect for Self Defense, handgun classes, and practice.
 
DA/SA Sigs generally have a nice SA pull as far as large scale production guns go. Two of the best I've ever experienced short of high dollar custom guns and race guns are the HK P9S and P7. Considering that my P220 has a 4.5lb SA pull, my P9S has to have barely a 3lb pull if that and it's bone stock out of the box. It's so light and smooth that while I was experimenting with different grip holds, I tried a slightly loose hold and the fulcrum action of the gun recoiling was enough to trip the trigger again causing me to inadvertently double tap. They are that good. The trigger on my P9S is so nice that I'm going to take a leap out there and say there is nothing better out there for the under $800 price I paid.
 
I have a West German made Sig 226 9MM, It has an excellent double and single action trigger pull, the double is spooky it's so smooth, darn near as smooth as an old Colt wheelgun if not as smooth. It makes me wonder if it has had spring,trigger work done to it.

How 'bout the rest of you Sig owners out there, how's your triggers?
 
For my $500 I would opine the trigger on my Witness Elite Match is pretty darn good. I don't know that I have ever felt a trigger on a new gun that was better for under $1000.

The Elite Match is a hard gun to beat if you like SA autos.
 
The Walther P99 AS has a nice trigger that only gets better with time.
Also, my Bersa Thunder 9s have very nice triggers as well, perhaps the best of all my pistols.
 
Sig.

I've tried a few different models (228, 226, 229, 239, SigPro), and all the triggers have been as smooth as butter. Excellent single action pulls. The double action pulls are great too.
 
Because you shot a Tanfoglio I'll throw something out for you to ponder.

Last year I picked up a full-size, all-steel Tanfoglio (EAA Witness). I was really impressed with every aspect of the gun.

I took it as a backup gun to an IDPA match two months ago. I realized that my SIG and Kimber, counting spare mags I had would not hold enough rounds to get me through the first course of fire. I decided to shoot the "Witness."

I won the match.

Being duly impressed I spent a little money on parts for it and ran into a deal on a compact Witness so I picked it up as well.

Took the Tanfoglio to the next match and darned if I didn't win again.

Next week I took the new poly, compact to the range and shooting with a combat sight picture ripped the center out of a bullseye target. Had a couple failure to feed problems so I put in Woff mag springs. Ended those problems.

Yesterday I ordered grips (custom cast aluminum with 20 lpi sharp checkering anodized black) and a couple other small parts. Made arrangements with my smith to fit new sights to the gun and set up a new sear with an out-of-town smith.

Double taps out of this puppy leave the holes touching. I can empty a 10-round mag in a little over four seconds and keep every round in a five-inch circle at 10 yards. What is really impressive is the sights never leave that five-inch circle under rapid fire. And it does not have a compensator.

I've shot nothing but SIGs and Kimbers in competition for more than 15 years. But, I'll say this about my Tanfoglio - it now rides in a custom, fully hand-tooled holster. Best SIG or Kimber can boast is a Milt Sparks rig.

When you have a keeper...

BTW, if you need custom work done on a Tanfoglio I have the contacts. PM me and I can direct you to the right people. It's possible it is the finest self-stuffer I'll ever own.

If I had it to do over again, I'd start with the Elite Series or the match series. If I was to drop $500 today it would be on a match series.

IMHO, not just the best buy on the market, the best way to make you look like a better shot than you really are - I haven't won a match in 5 years and all of the sudden I win back-to-backs?

Like I told my smith yesterday - "Just make it happen. It's worth it."

Then he charged me $166 for a pair of grips, but even my wife said it is worth it...
 
loop's got it right.

I have three different Witnesses now, and two switch-top conversions. However, keep in mind these are all steel versions, not the polymers.

They're big guns, and not necessarily well-suited to CC. But, the SA-only trigger on my $480.00 10mm Elite Match is as good as, or better than, the SA trigger on my $960.00 10mm Kimber ST II. The only real issue that might be there in the Elite Match series is that it doesn't have a barrel bushing; the next step up (Elite Stock, about $680.00 or so) does--so if you want even better (potential) accuracy, I'd start there.

In semiautos, I do like the CZ-design SA/DA action, with its capability to be shot DA with a dropped hammer.

Look for a CZ-75 compact for CC and let a 'smith polish the action. I think you'll like it. caveat: Personally, for CC I carry a DAO j-frame. These actions are amenable to polishing the action through simple dry firing and use.

Jim H.
 
Unless you tighten up the criteria, I would have to say it would be a tossup between any of the pistols made for international rapid pistol-Hammerli, Pardini, Benelli, Walther, etc. Not to mention the triggers are fully adjustable with screw for adjustments most shooters have never heard of.
 
Best: S&W Model 52

Second Best: Colt National Match/Gold Cup (Series 70)

Third Best: S&W Model 945

Fourth Best: S&W Model 41

But a classic da revolver (i.e., Smith K38 or 1955 Target or Colt Officers Match) beats any auto pistol hands down.
 
I'd have to say I had an amazing experience with the trigger on a Smith and Wesson 59 at my local gun shop. Thing had a 1/8" (At the most) reset, felt like a 1911, unbelieveable.

The IMI Jericho 941 (AKA Baby Eagle) also has a nice, crisp SA pull and a short reset. Just my two cents.
 
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