Especially if it's chambered in S&W J-frame, Ruger Single Six and and other similar size revolvers.
Why 32 h&r?
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I might add that Buffalo Bore has two options for the 32 Long as well .
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This round from a long considered obsolete caliber is no joke. It is providing .380 acp levels of energy with penetration significantly in excess of FBI standards if Buffalo Bore is to be taken at their own word.
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I have a lady friend that carries those as her self defense rounds. Seeing her armed really hit home for me how much of an equalizer a pistol can be. It is amazing that one tool can take her from being harmless to just about anyone due to her small size and a variety of ailments to dangerous to the world's largest most physically powerful man.
In all this discussion about the perfect pocket caliber let's not lose sight of that fact.
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You'll get no arguments from my corner.
I would recommend NOT using this particular BB round in such a lightweight gun though. It recoils a lot and just isn't fun to shoot. For a seasoned shooter it's still snappy and close to 327 power.
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Or even an 8 shot 22 lr!Since Kimber can make a 6-shot revolver in .38/.357 (K6S and K6XS) that's the size of a J-frame, maybe they can make a 7-shot .32 H&R.
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Here is a video from some Taurus people talking about their new .327 3" defender toro model. They specifically mention that Buffalo bore .32 s&w long round, and how highly they regard it. In addition they casually mention that the .32 h&r magnum is the sweet spot for the .32 family.
Gunday Brunch 135: The Taurus 327 Defender TORO
In this episode, Caleb takes us through an overview of one of Taurus' new SHOT Show launches, the 327 Defender TORO
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I'm not convinced that the BB heavy 32mag +p is a sweet spot for an airweight j frame. Other 32 mags sure, but not what I pictured above.Here is a video from some Taurus people talking about their new .327 3" defender toro model. They specifically mention that Buffalo bore .32 s&w long round, and how highly they regard it. In addition they casually mention that the .32 h&r magnum is the sweet spot for the .32 family.
Gunday Brunch 135: The Taurus 327 Defender TORO
In this episode, Caleb takes us through an overview of one of Taurus' new SHOT Show launches, the 327 Defender TORO
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In my head I was thinking of Buffalo Bore .32 s&w long loads, and regular .32 h&r loads like Hornady Critical Defense, or Double Tap.
I agree Buffalo Bore .32 mag +p rounds don't sound like the sweet spot for a sub 20oz pocket revolver.
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Yes, you are right, the standard H&R 32 mag rounds are great in an airweight j frame.
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It seems like Aim is not often listed on the ammo search sites.
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Because I can shoot it cheaper than a .22.
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With the components and home cast bullets I have .03 a round.
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Anyone looking for a Single Six in .32 H&R?
I like what S&W is doing with the new J frames. A main complaint with Airweight J Frames is the standard sights are antiquated - both functionally and in that they’re regulated for 158 grain ammo. Some people don’t like the grips, but that’s easy to change. The other big one is the recoil - a lightweight .38 with a full power or +P load is pretty lively. I can understand S&W offering them in .32 Mag, and cooperating with ammo manufacturers to develop a few better loads. Personally, I’d switch to .38 wadcutters if I really needed lighter loads before I’d go with the .32, but that’s just me.
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It's special to me because I picked up an older Taurus in that caliber some time ago for pocket change.
Fun, cheap and handy - what's not to like?
Fun, cheap and handy - what's not to like?
That’s a valid point for a lot of people. A lot of these revolvers will get shot just enough for comfort, but mostly be carried or stay loaded in the nightstand. Many won’t see 500 or 1,000 rounds in their entire lifetimes. I think S&W will probably only sell one .32 for every three or four .38 Specials. I’m inclined to stick with the 38 simply because I already have lots of experience loading it and some components on hand. But both upgrades are still an interesting development and generating a lot of excitement.
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I guess I've gotten caught up in the 32 "fad" recently. Not too long ago, you couldn't have given me one (except maybe a K-32 to go with my K-22 and K-38), but my wife talked me into buying a little "I" frame 32 S&W long a couple of months ago. Smith and Wesson third model hand ejector to be specific, built in 1920 or 22. It had been reblued, and had grips from a much later period, but she thought it was "cute" and I gotta admit that it is. It looks like someone washed a Model 10 in hot water and shrank it.
I carried it home, cleaned it, found a box of Fiocchi 100 grain wadcutters and took it to the range the next time I went. The tiny sights made it hard to shoot, but it was fun, so the next time I went by the LGS, I grabbed the only two boxes of 32 L ammo they had. They too were Fiocchi but 97 grain FMJ "Heritage" rounds. When I got them home I noted on the box they were rated at 949 FPS. NINE HUNDRED AND FOURTY NINE fps? from a 32? That seemed pretty hot to me. I don't think I've ever seen reloads listed at that kind of velocity. An email to Fiocchi gave me a pressure figure of 14-14.5 K PSI for pressure. SAMMI max is 15 K. I wasn't 100% sure I wanted to shoot this ammo in a little I frame revolver that was 100 years old. Probably be "Ok" but I didn't want to beat up the little gun.
So I did what any of us would have done. I bought another gun.
I mean I already had ammo. Something in 327 Magnum should handle it.
So I found a Taurus 327 (327 magnum) for a little over 300 bucks, and ordered it. Got it a couple of days ago and took it to the range with a box of the Fiocchi 100 grain wadcutters, and a box of the 97 grain FMJ. Shot the wadcutters first and it was like shooting a 22. Almost no recoil. The other stuff...it was another matter. The recoil wasn't unplesant at all, don't get me wrong, but I could tell it wasn't the same stuff I'd been shooting. And it was pretty accurate too, at least on the 1/3 scale IDPA target I was using at 7 yards. The sights are still just a hog trough and front ramp, but they're better than the dimple and dime the I frame has.
Those 100 rounds of 32 Long are the only ammo I've fired in it so far. I've got some 327 Magnum on order, and I noticed my LGS has gotten some 32 H&R in. I'll give the magnums a try this weekend and see if they make enough noise to get me tossed out of the range. Heck, they shoot AR and AK "pistols" so I should be OK.
So now I guess I'm heading down the 32 rabbit hole. I've been looking for dies, and bullets for a 32 and might....MIGHT mind you, end up ordering the stuff to reload it. I am of course saving the brass. I doubt it will take the place of 38 wadcutters at the range, but I could see it as a carry gun. Fits my Don Hume JIT holster, HKS makes speedloaders for it. Extra round and all that. The Taurus is about twice the weight of the 642, but it's a steel frame vs an aluminum one. Slightly better trigger on the 642, but not a lot. The Taurus' trigger surprised me. The stock grips are certainly adequate for the 32 Long ammo. I'll have to see when I get the magnum stuff in.
I carried it home, cleaned it, found a box of Fiocchi 100 grain wadcutters and took it to the range the next time I went. The tiny sights made it hard to shoot, but it was fun, so the next time I went by the LGS, I grabbed the only two boxes of 32 L ammo they had. They too were Fiocchi but 97 grain FMJ "Heritage" rounds. When I got them home I noted on the box they were rated at 949 FPS. NINE HUNDRED AND FOURTY NINE fps? from a 32? That seemed pretty hot to me. I don't think I've ever seen reloads listed at that kind of velocity. An email to Fiocchi gave me a pressure figure of 14-14.5 K PSI for pressure. SAMMI max is 15 K. I wasn't 100% sure I wanted to shoot this ammo in a little I frame revolver that was 100 years old. Probably be "Ok" but I didn't want to beat up the little gun.
So I did what any of us would have done. I bought another gun.
I mean I already had ammo. Something in 327 Magnum should handle it.
So I found a Taurus 327 (327 magnum) for a little over 300 bucks, and ordered it. Got it a couple of days ago and took it to the range with a box of the Fiocchi 100 grain wadcutters, and a box of the 97 grain FMJ. Shot the wadcutters first and it was like shooting a 22. Almost no recoil. The other stuff...it was another matter. The recoil wasn't unplesant at all, don't get me wrong, but I could tell it wasn't the same stuff I'd been shooting. And it was pretty accurate too, at least on the 1/3 scale IDPA target I was using at 7 yards. The sights are still just a hog trough and front ramp, but they're better than the dimple and dime the I frame has.
Those 100 rounds of 32 Long are the only ammo I've fired in it so far. I've got some 327 Magnum on order, and I noticed my LGS has gotten some 32 H&R in. I'll give the magnums a try this weekend and see if they make enough noise to get me tossed out of the range. Heck, they shoot AR and AK "pistols" so I should be OK.
So now I guess I'm heading down the 32 rabbit hole. I've been looking for dies, and bullets for a 32 and might....MIGHT mind you, end up ordering the stuff to reload it. I am of course saving the brass. I doubt it will take the place of 38 wadcutters at the range, but I could see it as a carry gun. Fits my Don Hume JIT holster, HKS makes speedloaders for it. Extra round and all that. The Taurus is about twice the weight of the 642, but it's a steel frame vs an aluminum one. Slightly better trigger on the 642, but not a lot. The Taurus' trigger surprised me. The stock grips are certainly adequate for the 32 Long ammo. I'll have to see when I get the magnum stuff in.
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No, I had to go back and look, but I was sure they weren't American Eagle. They're Hornaday Critical Defense, 80 grain flex tip. They were about the only thing I saw at all that was "in stock". I didn't know much about the 32's at the time, so they got the call. They were also fairly reasonably priced at "only" about a buck a round. Not much more than the Fiocchi S&W Long rounds I mentioned earlier were actually. I noticed my LGS has the 32 H&R in stock today, but they're about $2.00 a round (also Hornady Critical Defense). I have no doubt I'll shoot a lot more 32 S&W L in either gun. I see it for a lot less online now that I've looked for it. I'm also reasonably sure I'll end up reloading for all of it.
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I guess I've gotten caught up in the 32 "fad" recently. Not too long ago, you couldn't have given me one (except maybe a K-32 to go with my K-22 and K-38), but my wife talked me into buying a little "I" frame 32 S&W long a couple of months ago. Smith and Wesson third model hand ejector to be specific, built in 1920 or 22. It had been reblued, and had grips from a much later period, but she thought it was "cute" and I gotta admit that it is. It looks like someone washed a Model 10 in hot water and shrank it.
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I carried it home, cleaned it, found a box of Fiocchi 100 grain wadcutters and took it to the range the next time I went. The tiny sights made it hard to shoot, but it was fun, so the next time I went by the LGS, I grabbed the only two boxes of 32 L ammo they had. They too were Fiocchi but 97 grain FMJ "Heritage" rounds. When I got them home I noted on the box they were rated at 949 FPS. NINE HUNDRED AND FOURTY NINE fps? from a 32? That seemed pretty hot to me. I don't think I've ever seen reloads listed at that kind of velocity. An email to Fiocchi gave me a pressure figure of 14-14.5 K PSI for pressure. SAMMI max is 15 K. I wasn't 100% sure I wanted to shoot this ammo in a little I frame revolver that was 100 years old. Probably be "Ok" but I didn't want to beat up the little gun.
So I did what any of us would have done. I bought another gun.
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So I found a Taurus 327 (327 magnum) for a little over 300 bucks, and ordered it. Got it a couple of days ago and took it to the range with a box of the Fiocchi 100 grain wadcutters, and a box of the 97 grain FMJ. Shot the wadcutters first and it was like shooting a 22. Almost no recoil. The other stuff...it was another matter. The recoil wasn't unplesant at all, don't get me wrong, but I could tell it wasn't the same stuff I'd been shooting. And it was pretty accurate too, at least on the 1/3 scale IDPA target I was using at 7 yards. The sights are still just a hog trough and front ramp, but they're better than the dimple and dime the I frame has.
Those 100 rounds of 32 Long are the only ammo I've fired in it so far. I've got some 327 Magnum on order, and I noticed my LGS has gotten some 32 H&R in. I'll give the magnums a try this weekend and see if they make enough noise to get me tossed out of the range. Heck, they shoot AR and AK "pistols" so I should be OK.
So now I guess I'm heading down the 32 rabbit hole. I've been looking for dies, and bullets for a 32 and might....MIGHT mind you, end up ordering the stuff to reload it. I am of course saving the brass. I doubt it will take the place of 38 wadcutters at the range, but I could see it as a carry gun. Fits my Don Hume JIT holster, HKS makes speedloaders for it. Extra round and all that. The Taurus is about twice the weight of the 642, but it's a steel frame vs an aluminum one. Slightly better trigger on the 642, but not a lot. The Taurus' trigger surprised me. The stock grips are certainly adequate for the 32 Long ammo. I'll have to see when I get the magnum stuff in.
Nice! Like me, now you're ready for the day when 38's hurt your hands too much.
Hoping to be able to shoot 32's until they put me in the ground.
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Oh, they already do (I'm 71 myself). Regular 38's in regular K-N frame guns don't of course, but those P+ 158's in an airweight J-frame do. The 642 with wadcutters isn't too bad. We'll have to see how the 327's do, but old Uncle Arthur goes nuts when hard kicking stuff comes out.Nice! Like me, now you're ready for the day when 38's hurt your hands too much.
Hoping to be able to shoot 32's until they put me in the ground.
