Quantcast

Why Are AKs So Much More Expensive Than they used to Be?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by mordechaianiliewicz, Jun 5, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. KansasSasquatch

    KansasSasquatch Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2012
    Messages:
    1,972
    Location:
    LV county KS
    That's almost exactly what I was going to post. But what still doesn't make sense to me is that Russia is quickly becoming the largest EXPORTER of small arms in the world. With that being the case all of the AKs must be going somewhere else besides here. It's a shame that G.W.B. allowed the ATF to come up with the BS no importing of barrels or else maybe we'd still be seeing quite a few cheaper AK variants.
     
  2. aka108

    aka108 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2006
    Messages:
    1,988
    Location:
    Tallahassee, FL
    I don't know exactly why AK types and Saiga's have had such a big price increase. I would guess political scare is the big reason and people willing to buy at any price. I own a Arsenal SA M7S that is now "worth" close to 2K. Well, it really isn't worth more than a couple hundred. The 2 Saigas I own were 199 dollars each but I see them at 850 bucks at gun shows. No way in the world are they worth that much. Hell, 199 was too damn much to pay. If thier manufacturing costs are over 15 bucks I'd be surprised. I thnk with a little patience and restraint we will see this panic through and prices should ease and quantities be sufficient.
     
  3. Pilot

    Pilot Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    6,691
    Location:
    USA
    Yes, the import restrictions, then barrel bans really hurt the AK market. Someone else mentioned the value of the dollar as a legitimate reason everything has become more expensive. We just don't have the buying power we once had.
     
  4. nathan

    nathan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    Messages:
    5,070
    AKs are great assault rifles as designed by Kalashnikov. It even gets better as 7.62 x 39 and 5.45 ammo are more affordable compared to the overpriced 5.56 which is another story of its own.

    Im glad i got my AK 74 four yrs ago. Its a hoot to shoot it like a .22 magnum on steroids.
     
  5. CornCod

    CornCod Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2006
    Messages:
    839
    I don't disagree with anything that's been written here yet. There are many reasons why the price of AK's have risen. However, there is also a pattern that American shooters have toward the acceptance of Russian/East Bloc/Red Chinese firearms. When they are first imported into the US, they are derided as "commie guns", "junk". "peasant weapons" and other insulting terms. As time goes on and people show up at the range with them and gradually, some brave souls would give them a try and find out they are good firearms. Then, gradually word gets out and the prices go up because everyone wants them. I was the first guy on the block, so to speak, to show up at the range with an SKS, a Mosin-Nagant, a Makarov, AK's and a VZ-52 and old guys would walk over to my position and say "what the heck is that?" American shooters are a very conservative bunch in the sense that they aren't usually open to new types of firearms and it take awhile for them to warm to them.
     
  6. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    5,973
    Location:
    The Mid-South.
    How about the similar VZ-58? They are milled instead of stamped etc. In the last two years the news has leaked out.
    Even the famous "hickok45" field strips both a VZ-58 and a WASR AK, to demonstrate how totally different they are.

    The 58s on Gunbroker appear to be listed about $150 more than they were a year ago.
     
    Last edited: Jun 10, 2013
  7. PabloJ

    PabloJ member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    Messages:
    5,415
    Beats heck out of me as one can get Chinese SKS in excellent condition with fixed 20 round magazine for about $300. I guess people out there want semi-auto AKM rifles.:rolleyes:
    Ok. Today young Anglo-looking guy (Ralph Lauren shirt, slacks, penny loafers) came in with case into LGS. I was thinking Westley Richards, but he pulled out civilian version of AKMS-74. Oh Lordie, what is happening?:eek:
     
  8. xxjumbojimboxx

    xxjumbojimboxx Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2011
    Messages:
    1,342
    Location:
    Southern Colorado
    Preppers push the demand too.

    Most preppers favor the AK over any battle rifle. Lots of people are jumping on that bandwagon. The ar15 requires maintenance. AK's like it, but truly dont need it very often. Also, i really do belive that AK's were underpriced for a very long time. You get a whole lotta gun in an AK... It doesnt matter what the production costs are. You stack up the 400 dollars you might have spent on a good wasr... what else can you get for that?
     
  9. Sav .250

    Sav .250 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2007
    Messages:
    3,691
    Location:
    Central Fla
    Supply and demand..........
     
  10. Jacob L Freeman

    Jacob L Freeman Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2012
    Messages:
    36
    Well, there's lots of factors. Some are big factors and others are little. Off the top of my head and in no particular order....

    a Democratic president always helps gun sales soar (due to people fearing them being taken away/limited)
    increased demand
    decreased supply
    both of the above largely due to response to Sandy Hook, Aurora, other despicable acts
    inflation
    the increasing popularity of being a "doomsday prepper"
    and of course the plain fact that things are getting harder and harder, while people are also waking up to reality and investing in their security
     
  11. JustinJ

    JustinJ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2011
    Messages:
    4,046
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    "Supply and demand" does not really answer the question. Obviously it's supply and demand but I believe the OP is asking why has demand gone up and/or supply gone down. I would expect part of the reason is a relatively rapid increase in the popularity of black rifles in general. Also, the introduction of high quality AK's that naturally will fetch a higher price. Arsenal came up with a clever way to provide very genuine AK's and others have followed suit. This has increased the popularity and demand of the AK platform in general.
     
  12. Fishbed77

    Fishbed77 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2010
    Messages:
    3,049
    I don't find that that my AR-15s require any more maintenance than my AK (a 7.62x39 converted Saiga). Both designs are stupidly reliable.

    I will say, though, that the ARs do take longer to clean, thanks to all the nooks and crannies of the chamber, BCG, and upper receiver.
     
  13. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2007
    Messages:
    34,964
    Location:
    Central PA
    And, as said before, part of the supply going down has to do with the increasing difficulty of getting complete and extremely cheap parts kits due to import rules changes in '06, IIRC.

    I have no idea what this even means.
     
  14. jmorris

    jmorris Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2005
    Messages:
    12,840
    Because people will pay the asking price. Same reason people were selling $650 AR's for $2000 5 months ago. All the stupid people maxed out their credit and prices have fallen below $1000 again.
     
  15. taliv

    taliv Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2004
    Messages:
    23,829
    i think that's about 80% of it.
     
  16. Rudedog

    Rudedog Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    122
    Location:
    FL
    Well I'm glad I bought my WASR for $400. Recent gun show prices were $899.
     
  17. Prince Yamato

    Prince Yamato Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2006
    Messages:
    4,411
    Location:
    Texas
    The best value will be an imported AK pistol, which doesn't have to be 922r compliant and requires no US labor.

    Labor costs in the US gun industry are high compared to our foreign counterparts. This is why you see handguns at reasonable prices, but rifles are being sold 3x what they are worth- no foreign competition.
     
  18. Fishbed77

    Fishbed77 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2010
    Messages:
    3,049
    Me neither. I didn't realize there was a dress code required to own an AK.

    I typically wear a dress shirt or polo with slacks when I walk into the LGS, usually because it's after I leave work, or because I don't want to look like one of those doofuses wearing Ed Hardy shirts and the like. I love my Saiga AK, by the way.
     
  19. xxjumbojimboxx

    xxjumbojimboxx Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2011
    Messages:
    1,342
    Location:
    Southern Colorado
    AK's Dont have forward assists, And will never have a reason to :)

    You ar is probably very reliable because you treat it good. Have you ever put more then 2000 or so rounds through without cleaning it? Thats my point about the AK, far less "necissary maintenance"





    ...and thats why the demand has gone up!
     
  20. TexasPatriot.308

    TexasPatriot.308 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2009
    Messages:
    2,433
    Location:
    Luling Texas
    for some now "unstupid" reason I had a few cheap Romanian WASRs in one of my safes, cheapest one I paid $350 for, the most $400......I felt kinda silly till I unloaded them in the last few months for average $800.....don't sound so stupid now. wish I had bought more.....anyone want a Bushmaster 308 ORC.... :) ?
     
  21. leadcounsel

    leadcounsel member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2006
    Messages:
    5,365
    Location:
    Tacoma, WA
    Pure economics. Nothing else.

    Good products drive up demand, which in turn drive up costs.

    Manufacturing costs have little to do with it. A pair of $100 Nike shoes costs $5 to make, but the demand drives the price high. Same pair of no-name $5 shoes might sell for $10.

    The AK47 is just the most recent among several Soviet or other worldwide guns that gained popularity due to affordability and excellent design. See Mosin Nagant, SKS, and any number of surplus pistols and rifles.
     
  22. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    5,973
    Location:
    The Mid-South.
    Do falling ammo prices help support AK-74 and -47 prices?

    Gunbot now shows
    5.45x39 ammo at .18/round. But I don't like the notion of cleaning corrosive residue from several components in a semi-auto rifle (even if cheap).
    7.62x39 at .25/round. This ammo bubble has shrunken even quicker than I anticipated!

    Or maybe the Tula and Ulyanovsk plants increased production several months ago.
     
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2013
  23. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2007
    Messages:
    34,964
    Location:
    Central PA
    Uh, a LOT of people have done that!

    "Filthy 14" hit 40,000 rounds some time back... http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_138/196990_Filthy_14_is_now_over_40_000_rounds.html

    Let's not spread the misconceptions about AR reliability any farther. AKs are great rifles without needing to set up a false comparison.
     
  24. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2007
    Messages:
    34,964
    Location:
    Central PA
    $0.18 isn't bad, for sure.

    Corrosive ammo clean up is cheap and easy. And that is one credit to the AK -- it can be swiftly disassembled and washed out with hot water very completely so cleanup is a breeze.
     
  25. Fishbed77

    Fishbed77 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2010
    Messages:
    3,049


    Sam, thanks for beating me to that.

    And xxjumbojimboxx, AKs don't need forward assists because they don't have non-reciprocating charging handles.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice