Why are berettas mocked so often?

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Yep, HorseSoldier, My experience was from 14-15yrs ago and I'd assume that the older they get the more out of spec they get and probably leads to all kinds of problems...Keep up the great work with all the old gear!!!!

PS: I wonder if the P-38/P-1 suffers from locking block breakage too?
 
I take issues with this, for one, when I qualed on the M9 I found it a joy to shoot, either you have bad eyes or your particular guns were junk, no doubt from being in the USMC inventory.

Two, you won't be close enough to push the barrel on mine, unless I missed 15 times.
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I take offense to the eyes thing as for the other comment... Is that a threat??? You might want to re-read the rules and regs of this site before you ever post something like that again! I really do take offense to that.

Okay, USMCDK has explained his first post twice now and you guys keep quoting him and offering the same objections to his post as all the rest of the people that quoted it. He's also explained his post and defused those objections TWICE now. Could we let a dead dog lie and actually leave the poor guy alone? Perhaps actually reading the entire frickin' thread would help, hunh?
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Thanks man I really appreciate the back up.

Now back to the real issue at hand... "WHY BERRETA'S ARE MOCKED SO OFTEN?"

I see the debate on both sides and can agree with everyone here. I would like to go and try out a fairly new and well kept berreta, like the ones in the Corps, and really get to know the weapon for myself, that way I can give a real opinion about the weapon system. I mean come on I am being kinda childish about it with only the experience of one gun versus the experience of maybe another that is in better condition.

As for when you have shown a shooter in the Corps what for by shooting all black with their weapon. OORAH!!!! Devil Dog
 
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the original guns had the magazine release button at the bottom of the grip frame, on the left side.
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Yep. Mine was a later model, with the mag release button behind the trigger guard. Aside from the thick grip and long trigger reach...which didn't bother me because of my simian-like hands...the manual of arms was a lot like a 1911. Well...A doublestack 1911 variant would be more accurate.

I've often wished that I hadn't let it get away from me. I really liked that pistol.
 
"Why are Berettas mocked so often?"

They were unfortunate enough to replace the M1911A1.
 
Give me a break...

The slides broke off of those early M9s because of poor grade of steel. That was a manufacturing error that wasn't caught with the early M9s. If you do some research on the subject, you'd learn that only a few M9s malfunctioned in the field. About a dozen or so more were tested in the failure investigation That slide problem was solved over 20 years ago, yet people still harp on it.

Why is it that people don't harp on Glocks or HKs the way that they do Berettas. Less than five M9s were effected by the slide issue in the field. I'd venture to guess that 100s of Glocks and HKs have KB'd. Where is the glock or the HK criticism? Sig p229 also had slide fratcure issues, but who talks about that probem?
 
The problem is very simple I believe

The iconic American big caliber was replaced by a sissy Euro round
If you look back in history you will find that it occurred at almost the same time frame that soccer started to gain national popularity here
 
Give me a break...

The slides broke off of those early M9s because of poor grade of steel. That was a manufacturing error that wasn't caught with the early M9s. If you do some research on the subject, you'd learn that only a few M9s malfunctioned in the field. About a dozen or so more were tested in the failure investigation That slide problem was solved over 20 years ago, yet people still harp on it.

Why is it that people don't harp on Glocks or HKs the way that they do Berettas. Less than five M9s were effected by the slide issue in the field. I'd venture to guess that 100s of Glocks and HKs have KB'd. Where is the glock or the HK criticism? Sig p229 also have had slide fratcure issues, but who talks about that probem?
 
Some people seem to want to hate Berettas. There were always cynical comments made in the gun rags, but the issue seems to have been exasperated by the Internet and its virtual army of mall ninjas. The only real complaint I have of the 92FS is that it's very big and fat for a 15-round 9mm. I have owned at least four of them over the years, and I have never seen one jam. Not saying they can't, becaue I'm sure they do. However they're certainly adequate for the job, even if they're not everyone's ideal.
 
The slides broke off of those early M9s because of poor grade of steel. That was a manufacturing error that wasn't caught with the early M9s. If you do some research on the subject, you'd learn that only a few M9s malfunctioned in the field. About a dozen or so more were tested in the failure investigation That slide problem was solved over 20 years ago, yet people still harp on it.
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It was multiple factors including proof-level loads combined with the pressure of a suppressor's weight overloading the locking block.

Six separated under such conditions. That's all.
 
Kinda off-topic here. But how to the civvy Taurus copies hold up? Might be able to score one cheap. Never had any issues with the m9 when I was in the service. The mags were horrid, and supply was pretty scarce.
 
The local range has one in their rental case, so that means it gets abused some.

It was really accurate. I was startled at how well it shot and how easy it was to control. And I don't have big hands.

I didn't shoot anywhere near enough to get a read on reliability but for accuracy I was well satisfied. I don't like slide mounted safeties so that is almost a deal breaker on me buying a 92. Almost. One day, maybe.

Lastly, it is one of the most attractive pistols ever produced. I know that should not figure into a buying decision, but damn it is a pretty gun.

EDIT: Color me surprised, I did not know until I looked up the gun that they made a version with a frame mounted, sweep-down, safety. Well, okay then. (adds a 92 to wish list)
 
I notice quite a few of the posters who complain about the Beretta mention the .40 caliber Model 96, pick a letter.
When I was experimenting with the .40 Smith and Wesson I chose a Beretta 96 FS Inox as the BEST choice for working with the cartridge.
Better than the Glock,(Too apt to Kaboom if you aren't careful with reloads), and better than the offerings by Smith and Wesson, (Too apt to fall apart with heavy use and heavier loads).
There weren't any H&K USP pistols in my area at the time.
While my testing convinced me to really despise the .40 S&W cartridge, I had absolutely no problems with that Model 96 pistols.
It didn't break anything, didn't blow up and should have, and was reliable with loads that should not have fed.
Faults,,,,,there was one.
I could not find a load that would group to my standards and I can't fault the pistol for that.
I haven't shot a .40 caliber yet that I would call match accurate.
Haven't tried a USP in .40 yet but I might.

As for the P38/P1 breaking locking blocks, yes some guns did do this.
Especially late war pistols that were hasty built using what amounted to slave labor.
P38s had a pretty nasty habit of pitching the top cover too.
Something the big doller pushers of 'collectables' fail to mention very often to prospective buyers
Early aluminum frame P-38/P1s are also know for cracking the frame at the slide release lever slot.
Walther corrected these faults with the later aluminum frame guns with the reenforcing bolt in the frame and in the god awful expensive last run steel frame guns.
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I much prefer the cougar or PX4 to the 92 for low light shooting, side port opening!!!. Have All calibers of the cougar ( 8000,8040,8357,8045)
Would take a M9357 (???) model of the M9.
I'd rather be alive than look cool with a " COOLER" pistol. BTW, I carry a P-14, or P-12. They are COOL and work for me.
 
"OH BTW did you know that you can stop a berreta from firing by simply pushing on the barrel. i.e. hold gun and barrel tight to chest aand I do mean TIGHT!!! They teach us that in the Corps."

Right. And if you snag it right you can swipe off the slide, yeah. And wallets made from eel skin will demagnetize your credit cards because of the leftover electric charge.

Anyway, if the bad guy is close enough to get his hands on my pistol, I've got a major problem aside from any mechanical issues with the piece. Which, for the record, I'm highly skeptical of.
 
Thanks, Doug...

My memory was a little foggy about the M9 slide details.

I don't own any Berettas, but I shoot a 90two and a 92fs every couple of months at the range. With the exception my revolvers, I shoot the Beretta 92 series better than anything else. These guns work very well for me. I can't carry in my state, so I find full-sized guns to be attractive. I'm a big guy so I really like the grips.

Berettas are among the best autoloaders on the market. Keep in mind, the Beretta 92 and the Sig p226 were the only pistols to pass all aspects of military pistol trials back in the 80s. Any gun that replaced the 1911 was destined to be hated by some. A few weeks ago, military bought 25,000 new M9s. Apparently, our military isn't as down on them as the folks on this board. The guns are reliable, they are accurate, and they are safe.

Last year, I was a little too active doing my part in supporting the US economy: I bought a piano, a new computer, and three guns (sold one already). This year, we bought a house. My wallet will be empty for a long, long time. My body would probably end up in some river if I told my wife that I needed another gun. *Maybe* a Beretta will make its way into my safe next year *if* I don't get the 4" Ruger Redhawk or the .327 Ruger SP101 instead.
 
Being a Mack Bolan writer, it was an imperative to get to love the Beretta. Well, I'd already liked it since watching Die Hard (another southpaw - Bruce Willis).

The Beretta 92F is one of the first handguns I shot, and it ranks with one of the best. I'm a smidge over 5'8" and yet the Beretta does not feel too fat, nor the trigger too long for my needs. My girlfriend, who is only 5'2" had no trouble with the Beretta either (and she had even less trouble than I did with the Desert Eagle, Bolan's other preferred sidearm).

And, fat as I am, a Beretta easily hides in my waistband under a roll of all-concealing flab.

Still, a 4" Redhawk might edge out my little Italian friend, especially after the joy of shooting a 629. (Recoil? What recoil from a Redhawk?)
 
It's just like italian cars. You like it or you hate it.
It's the similar thing: Cars from Italy are beautiful designed but not very reliable.
 
Hey Doug, I used to read the Mack Bolan stuff all the time! Great escapist fiction, with terrific technical correctness. Is the series still alive, and are you still writing them?
 
Hey Doug, I used to read the Mack Bolan stuff all the time! Great escapist fiction, with terrific technical correctness. Is the series still alive, and are you still writing them?
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It's still going strong, and this year, I have three Bolan books coming out, with one on the Able and Phoenix-based Stony Man series.

Plus the Executioner comic book miniseries coming out this summer, with a nice "Weapons Check" section featuring the firearms prominently used in that issue.
 
I am in the market for a new handgun (currently own snub nosed .38 special) and have heard nothing but great reviews for the Px4 storm .40. And while skimming this thread, I havent run into anyone mentioning it at all (.40 cal that is). I personally have never fired this pistol, but am planning on renting and giving it a few mags.

Anyone want to give insight to this Beretta manufactured gun? I know that they just recently brought out to your nearest firearm store the px4 .45. Any comments on this? I am completely aware that they are relatively new on the market.....so i was curious on consumer standpoints besides gun magazine's .02.
 
Harkening back to the original post
:Why are berettas mocked so often?

I've heard some things people say about Beretta's reliability and i was wondering if they were true.
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I've gotta admit I've never really heard anyone "mocking" the Beretta 92FS. Plenty of mocking abounds for the 9mm caliber, but I suspect that most who have substantial experience carrying and shooting the M9, especially in real world situations (law enforcement/military) won't "mock" this pistol. The long-since resolved Checkmate magazine issue aside, there shouldn't be any knocks on the M9's reliability, since it's pretty much proven one of our more reliable service pistols. Frankly, I've noted that most of those making snide comments about the M9 have little to no experience as a regular user of same.
 
Now don't get me wrong guys I am not saying that all berrettas are garbage. I just realized that the ones we had at my duty station in the Corps were not all that they should have been. I have seen the new berretta 9mm models, I think they are called storms or something like that, and have seen them fired at the range and let me tell you damn that's a nice piece of steel.
 
>>"I have seen the new berretta 9mm models, I think they are called storms or something like that, and have seen them fired at the range and let me tell you damn that's a nice piece of steel.">>

Except that the PX4 Storm is mostly polymer with a steel slide like all them newfangled guns if you've really seen them enough to have a solid opinion.

It's been an interesting thread to read. Now I must admit, I started with Berettas and love them all (well maybe except the Storm and 9000). And the truth is I still shoot my 92's better than anything else. But I'm also partial to 1911's and their single trigger. And either looks and handles a heck of a lot better than a Block :neener:
 
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