longeyes
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That's good, and I do the same kind of thing.
But it's not enough to keep our RKBA. I suspect it will take one thing to convince people they need self-protection: imminent, visible, palpable danger.
It's coming.
Why Aren't Gun Rights Making Better Progress?
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That's good, and I do the same kind of thing.
But it's not enough to keep our RKBA. I suspect it will take one thing to convince people they need self-protection: imminent, visible, palpable danger.
It's coming.
Monkeyleg
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Bartholomew, I know from my experience with our political action committee that most contributions (at least to us) come in increments of $50 or so. It's rare that someone contributes over $100, much less $200.
I'd also surmise that the majority of the contributions you cited came in the years 1993 through 1995 or so. Gun owners typically don't open their wallets until they've already lost something.
And that probably explains the low numbers: the majority of gun owners (hunters, trap shooters, pistol shooters) haven't lost anything. It's the EBR crowd, and the .50 BMG shooters who have lost the most. Those in states like MA, CA, MD and others probably don't feel they've lost much.
I'd also surmise that the majority of the contributions you cited came in the years 1993 through 1995 or so. Gun owners typically don't open their wallets until they've already lost something.
And that probably explains the low numbers: the majority of gun owners (hunters, trap shooters, pistol shooters) haven't lost anything. It's the EBR crowd, and the .50 BMG shooters who have lost the most. Those in states like MA, CA, MD and others probably don't feel they've lost much.
darthlung
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people won't get active . sending money isn't being active . if 80 million people marched on washington there will would be done . the issue would not matter , they would see 80 million votes . if the government came to collect guns from the people most would only get mad if it was during the ballgame .
Monkeyleg
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darthlung, welcome to THR.
With all due respect, try getting twelve people to work one four-hour shift each over a weekend at a gun show to try to rally folks for concealed carry.
It would probably be easier to just go out on the street and ask people at random if they'd like to have a root canal on the spot.
With all due respect, try getting twelve people to work one four-hour shift each over a weekend at a gun show to try to rally folks for concealed carry.
It would probably be easier to just go out on the street and ask people at random if they'd like to have a root canal on the spot.
The-Fly
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funny you say that monkeyleg, i do volunteer regularly for www.cssa.org at the gunshows in denver. I also take out noobs as often as i can to the range to show them the "dark side" so to speak 
Monkeyleg
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The-Fly, I suspect you're one of the rare ones.
The highest number of emails I've received off of our WCCA site were: after then-Senate Majority Leader Chuck Chvala prevented a floor vote on our CCW bill in 2002; after the failure of the Feb. 2004 veto override on the CCW bill; and after the failure to override Governor Doyle's veto this past February.
Want to know what most of those emails said? "How can I help?"
It's like I said in a previous post: people, gun owners in particular, don't seem to react until they've lost.
If all of those who emailed after the dirty deed was done had done so before, and had actually gone out and spent even a few hours working for the cause, things might have turned out differently. And I must stress the word might, as Governor Doyle has a markedly different attitude toward guns than even the most pragmatic Democrat governors in most of the country.
But, still, these folks were reactive, and not proactive.
It's no different in WI right now. I'm trying to do fund-raisers, and nobody else seems to even want to help. I suspect that many think that all of Governor Doyle's campaign scandals will sink him.
Wanna bet? He has a 2:1 lead in campaign funding over challenger Congressman Mark Green.
The electorate is divided into three camps: those who are true believers in the Democrat/liberal/Liberal candidate, those who are true believers in the conservative/Conservative/Republican candidate, and then those who believe the TV commercials.
And who decides? Those whose decisions are based on the TV commercials.
And the one who runs the most commercials wins.
The highest number of emails I've received off of our WCCA site were: after then-Senate Majority Leader Chuck Chvala prevented a floor vote on our CCW bill in 2002; after the failure of the Feb. 2004 veto override on the CCW bill; and after the failure to override Governor Doyle's veto this past February.
Want to know what most of those emails said? "How can I help?"
It's like I said in a previous post: people, gun owners in particular, don't seem to react until they've lost.
If all of those who emailed after the dirty deed was done had done so before, and had actually gone out and spent even a few hours working for the cause, things might have turned out differently. And I must stress the word might, as Governor Doyle has a markedly different attitude toward guns than even the most pragmatic Democrat governors in most of the country.
But, still, these folks were reactive, and not proactive.
It's no different in WI right now. I'm trying to do fund-raisers, and nobody else seems to even want to help. I suspect that many think that all of Governor Doyle's campaign scandals will sink him.
Wanna bet? He has a 2:1 lead in campaign funding over challenger Congressman Mark Green.
The electorate is divided into three camps: those who are true believers in the Democrat/liberal/Liberal candidate, those who are true believers in the conservative/Conservative/Republican candidate, and then those who believe the TV commercials.
And who decides? Those whose decisions are based on the TV commercials.
And the one who runs the most commercials wins.
xd9fan
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Why Aren't Gun Rights Making Better Progress?
Because 98% of Gun regulations/laws and general "common sense"
compromises on the 2ndA have Republicans votes all over it!!!
Because 98% of Gun regulations/laws and general "common sense"
compromises on the 2ndA have Republicans votes all over it!!!Hkmp5sd
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One point I think being overlooked is the youth of America. They are taught in school the 2nd Amendment means the National Guard. Guns are combined with drugs, alcohol, tobacco, etc. on the list of evil/dangerous things to avoid. Unless their parents own guns, they will probably never touch one unless they become criminals or join the military/law enforcement.
If their parents do own guns, the odds are they are the passive gun owners with their revolver in the closet for home protection. Which means the parents support "assault weapons" ban, Saturday Night Special bans, waiting periods and the whole anti-gun argument. This attitude gets passed on to the kids.
In a few more generations, the desire to own guns may be virtually removed from American society.
If their parents do own guns, the odds are they are the passive gun owners with their revolver in the closet for home protection. Which means the parents support "assault weapons" ban, Saturday Night Special bans, waiting periods and the whole anti-gun argument. This attitude gets passed on to the kids.
In a few more generations, the desire to own guns may be virtually removed from American society.
Monkeyleg
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xd9fan, it was a bit difficult to parse your reply, but I think I get the gist of it.
And that brings me back to my original point: if you want your rights, you have to fight for them. Freedom isn't free.
If you want to fight for them, you need to find a candidate who's really on your side, and fight for him.
Not possible? It sure as heck is. I found mine 12 years ago, and just kept helping him election after election. So did many other folks. And that number of "folks" grew from just a few dozen to several hundred volunteers, volunteers who put in countless hours. People who contributed $25 or $50 or whatever.
My friend, Senator Tom Reynolds, won. But he's going to be target #1 for the Democrats in WI's November elections.
I was talking with one of my bosses today, who professes to be a "conservative," although his all-consuming pasttime is basketball.
He said that he votes Republican/conservative/Conservative, but doesn't think that he can do anything to affect the process.
When I mentioned the volunteer work, I got the glazed-eye look and the "I'm too busy with basketball" excuse.
Well, you know what? That's fine. It's fine with me if folks from both sides of the aisle have that attitude.
Why? Because those of us who get out there and hump and work and raise contributions actually have input into legislation. We actually have power!
Don't believe me? A few years ago, when one of our bills was being circulated for co-sponsors, a legislator whom I'd done a lot of work for called and asked me if I thought he should put his name on the bill as a co-sponsor.
I told him that it was an excellent bill, and that he would do well by signing on.
Who has more power: me, or my boss who's consumed with basketball?
The answer is easy. It's the ones who work who have the power.
Those who just dribble get what's coming to them.
And that brings me back to my original point: if you want your rights, you have to fight for them. Freedom isn't free.
If you want to fight for them, you need to find a candidate who's really on your side, and fight for him.
Not possible? It sure as heck is. I found mine 12 years ago, and just kept helping him election after election. So did many other folks. And that number of "folks" grew from just a few dozen to several hundred volunteers, volunteers who put in countless hours. People who contributed $25 or $50 or whatever.
My friend, Senator Tom Reynolds, won. But he's going to be target #1 for the Democrats in WI's November elections.
I was talking with one of my bosses today, who professes to be a "conservative," although his all-consuming pasttime is basketball.
He said that he votes Republican/conservative/Conservative, but doesn't think that he can do anything to affect the process.
When I mentioned the volunteer work, I got the glazed-eye look and the "I'm too busy with basketball" excuse.
Well, you know what? That's fine. It's fine with me if folks from both sides of the aisle have that attitude.
Why? Because those of us who get out there and hump and work and raise contributions actually have input into legislation. We actually have power!
Don't believe me? A few years ago, when one of our bills was being circulated for co-sponsors, a legislator whom I'd done a lot of work for called and asked me if I thought he should put his name on the bill as a co-sponsor.
I told him that it was an excellent bill, and that he would do well by signing on.
Who has more power: me, or my boss who's consumed with basketball?
The answer is easy. It's the ones who work who have the power.
Those who just dribble get what's coming to them.
xd9fan
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Monkeyleg, I am tring to get to your level of involvment(I email, write letters, try my best to lead by example, give WAY to much money to groups I love-----the wife would kill me)........my little brother(age 28) (who does not have 3 kids under 3 years of age) acts like your boss.
I just got off the phone with my little brother who is headstrong on the "war on terror". He states openly that he is a one-issue voter. If its not about the "war on terror" than its not worth worring about. So he calls me about the Isreal middle east conflict going on right now. He states that we have to "go in and solve this middle east problem now"
Of course this sends me to the moon, IMHO the middle east problem will never be solved.
He then gives me **** like "enjoy your starbucks, while the GOP protects you from terror" (hes a drinker starbucks as well)
so this is the GOP agenda, Foreign and domestic???
awhile later in the conversation I ask, "what are you doing to protect your Bill of Rights"
He answers, "I vote for the Republican party, I'm to busy for anything else"
he does not read anything from american history, nothing on why we have a Bill of Rights, and thinks libertarians are some liberal group
:banghead:
And big brother (me here) is CURSED with the knowledge found in the writings, papers, effects and quotes from the Founding Fathers, feeling an american responsiblity to this first generation, knowing that even what I do (as stated above) is not enough.
I just got off the phone with my little brother who is headstrong on the "war on terror". He states openly that he is a one-issue voter. If its not about the "war on terror" than its not worth worring about. So he calls me about the Isreal middle east conflict going on right now. He states that we have to "go in and solve this middle east problem now"
Of course this sends me to the moon, IMHO the middle east problem will never be solved.
He then gives me **** like "enjoy your starbucks, while the GOP protects you from terror" (hes a drinker starbucks as well)
so this is the GOP agenda, Foreign and domestic???
awhile later in the conversation I ask, "what are you doing to protect your Bill of Rights"
He answers, "I vote for the Republican party, I'm to busy for anything else"
he does not read anything from american history, nothing on why we have a Bill of Rights, and thinks libertarians are some liberal group
:banghead: And big brother (me here) is CURSED with the knowledge found in the writings, papers, effects and quotes from the Founding Fathers, feeling an american responsiblity to this first generation, knowing that even what I do (as stated above) is not enough.
I'm not a conservative Republican, and I think most RKBA organizations support candidates as much on non-gun conservative issues as RKBA issues. If I thought the NRA was truely single-issue, I could support them even when they endorse some candidates that I dislike. I believe that if two candidates are nearly equal on RKBA issues, the Republican is sure to get the endorsemant, the Democrat will be blamed for the antis in his party. Long-term we'd be better off endorsing RKBA Democrats whenever they are roughly equal, even in some cases where the Republican is slightly "better".
If we could get the majority of Democrats on our side, we could wind up with core gun rights settled. Argue about private ownership of artillary or some other fringe issuse, rather than counting the number of scary accessories on a rifle.
If we could get the majority of Democrats on our side, we could wind up with core gun rights settled. Argue about private ownership of artillary or some other fringe issuse, rather than counting the number of scary accessories on a rifle.
m0ntels
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I always wondered what would happen if a bunch of righties registered as Democrats to vote in their primaries...
Randy
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Monkeyleg
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m0ntels, actually, that's going to happen here in WI. There's a Democrat senator who's facing opposition from a Doyle-backed Democrat. This is in retaliation for the current senator's vote to override Doyle's veto.
The NRA will be encouraging members in that district to register as Democrats and vote for the sitting senator.
The NRA will be encouraging members in that district to register as Democrats and vote for the sitting senator.
Chris Rhines
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Although I don't know about Emily's List, I do know that many (if not most) of these organizations are fronts, used to launder large donations from individuals or corporations.
Something to keep in mind.
- Chris
Smurfslayer
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I hear crickets chirping...
So... has anyone?
So... has anyone?
xd9fan
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Yep....Ive said this about the Kelo case.....what the hell would the city govt do if 10000 people showed up and said "Hell no"??
They could not do a damn thing. mob protest is powerful
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