ctdonath
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Such bizzare definitions are not uncommon in law.
In New York, a rifle is legally not a firearm.
In New York, a rifle is legally not a firearm.
"Why do you NEED a silencer?"
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Sound control, its quite deffening to shoot a 223 in a closed room plus these guys shoot really close to eachother from time to time and I would rather not have a gun go off in close proximity to my ear. Legal NFA excludes lawenforcement and military. Death squads of corse not they are there to protect us from ourselves right? Yes sound control for hearing protection.
LiquidTension
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I don't think I've shot my AR unsuppressed since I got the can. The only time I've shot my .22 unsuppressed since getting the can for that one is when I demonstrate the difference in sound level.
A suppressed .22 is some of the most fun you can have with your clothes on. Cheap and quieter than a BB gun.
You do have to clean more often. My AR gets completely filthy. It'll also spray some gas back in your face unless you do some minor mods (like adding RTV sealant to the charging handle). I love it though, and as soon as I get my SBRs done I'm going to get an SWR Trident for my 9mms.
A suppressed .22 is some of the most fun you can have with your clothes on. Cheap and quieter than a BB gun.
You do have to clean more often. My AR gets completely filthy. It'll also spray some gas back in your face unless you do some minor mods (like adding RTV sealant to the charging handle). I love it though, and as soon as I get my SBRs done I'm going to get an SWR Trident for my 9mms.
freakshow10mm
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Eric F, the unfortunate thing about the ATF is that the inter-department/agency communication is like playing operator. No one knows what the real deal is. One agent will be different from another.
My ATF dude that did my compliance interview said suppressors don't need to be put on 4473s because they are not a firearm, but a firearm accessory. He said they don't shoot anything, they are like a muzzle brake (in the sense that they are an attachment to a firearm) but are taxed and regulated.
I nodded and smiled, then called the NFA branch. They cited the USC and NFA as I posted above and said most definitely put a suppressor on a 4473.
When dealing with the ATF, double check and get it in writing.
My ATF dude that did my compliance interview said suppressors don't need to be put on 4473s because they are not a firearm, but a firearm accessory. He said they don't shoot anything, they are like a muzzle brake (in the sense that they are an attachment to a firearm) but are taxed and regulated.
I nodded and smiled, then called the NFA branch. They cited the USC and NFA as I posted above and said most definitely put a suppressor on a 4473.
When dealing with the ATF, double check and get it in writing.
M203Sniper
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Because I have bought the best eye protection I can afford and now I want the best form of ear protection.
I wear sunblock at the range too.
I wear sunblock at the range too.
brighamr
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My favorite answer to the orgional question:
"Why do you need a silencer?"
Me: "WHAT??? I CAN"T HEAR YOU!!! IF I HAD A SILENCER I WOULD STILL HAVE MY HEARING" screaming as loud as you can.
sometime's they'll get the clue...
"Legal NFA excludes lawenforcement and military" - that's the real problem right there. All or nothing. If LEO can have them without all the NFA bs, we should too.
"Why do you need a silencer?"
Me: "WHAT??? I CAN"T HEAR YOU!!! IF I HAD A SILENCER I WOULD STILL HAVE MY HEARING" screaming as loud as you can.
sometime's they'll get the clue...
"Legal NFA excludes lawenforcement and military" - that's the real problem right there. All or nothing. If LEO can have them without all the NFA bs, we should too.
DoubleTapDrew
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One word: Zombies.
ctdonath
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That was given as a reason on an actual Form 4 submission.
The form was accepted.
Jamie C.
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So the burglar can hear me talking to him while I shoot at him.
J.C.
Jamie C.
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Sorry, PTK, but they're all I have time for right now. I'll try to work up some witless ones later.
( Why is it always right around the holidays when stuff wants to break down or otherwise see to it that I have to stay busy? )
J.C.
( Why is it always right around the holidays when stuff wants to break down or otherwise see to it that I have to stay busy? )
J.C.
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Until quite recently, I believed silencers were a gimmick for Mall Ninja types. But after watching and listening to some videos of silenced .22 long rifle firearms, I have changed my position. I truly believe that commercial silencers can suppress enough noise to make one's shooting experience more pleasurable. In fact, I was amazed at the degree of effectiveness demonstrated. Count me in as a silencer supporter.
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scrat
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i think its too each there own. i like noise. i like shooting my noise makers. but i know that i need to wear ear protection as they are pretty loud. So i accept that.
KingTiger
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MAC-11/9 w/Lage Upper & GemTech Viper Suppressor
Silencers are a NFA gateway product. I never thought I'd buy a machine gun until I got into silencers. Makes my M11/9 sound like a sewing machine with GA Arms 147 gr. FMC subsonics at 950 FPS.
Silencers are a NFA gateway product. I never thought I'd buy a machine gun until I got into silencers. Makes my M11/9 sound like a sewing machine with GA Arms 147 gr. FMC subsonics at 950 FPS.
moooose102
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i would love to be able to use a silencer, but unfourunatly, here in "gustoppo" michigan, they are strictly illegal. get caught with one, go to jail. not that i am a criminal, i would just like to be able to shoot without hearing protection. and having one on the home protection gun would also be very nice. i actually contacted the michigan state police about this after finding a website that sold "supressors". so now, i am probably on some kind of "crimial intent" or "terrorist" list. yipiee!
freakshow10mm
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If Cox would get off his butt and write up the opinion like he did for the MGs. He said he was going to, but that was 2.5yrs ago.
SOTs can possess suppressors, but individuals can't.
SOTs can possess suppressors, but individuals can't.
eastwood44mag
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Why do you NEED a silencer?
I don't, but the people who come shooting with me and forget their hearing protection do.
I don't, but the people who come shooting with me and forget their hearing protection do.
MD_Willington
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So as to not annoy my neighbors, that would be "neighborly of me to use one" and protect my hearing 
I have suppressors on every weapon that is threaded. Including my .22LR and .260
It reduces the noise, and on the .260 reduces felt recoil to .22 LR levels.
My .300 WM has muzzle brake... and boy its loud. It will get rebarelled soon. And then guess what... suppressor time.
It reduces the noise, and on the .260 reduces felt recoil to .22 LR levels.
My .300 WM has muzzle brake... and boy its loud. It will get rebarelled soon. And then guess what... suppressor time.
He's not going to do it.
He's dragged his feet for a long time and is trying to run out the clock. It is clear that he's got reservations about it, else it would have taken him 30 minutes to type up an opinion reversing the Kelly opinion.
Cox shot his wad with the MG opinion. We should certainly be thankful for that, but I would not hold my breath for another one.
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