Why doesn't anyone make Hi-Cap mags for the Saiga .308?

[epijunkie67]

It seems like it would be pretty easy to do. There's no assault weapon ban cover hi-caps in effect any more. And considering the price of the rifle and the number of people who own them it seems like it would have a huge market.

So why the heck doesn't anyone make these?

 

[azrael]

there are a couple of people that are working on it over at the saiga forums...There is a mod to the rifle using KH G3 mags that looks promising but you would have to mod the gun...There just isnt enough demand for any of the mag companies to make any right now although that may change when they are imported again..

I would love to have highcap's for the 308 and resonably priced 8 round mags for the Saiga 12 myself..I would have several

 

[Mannlicher]

Supply and demand. I don't think that many Saiga rifles have been imported and sold. There needs to be a lot of demand for some company to tool up and make magazines.

 

[Drakejake]

Several people claim to have grafted M14 or G3 mags onto the bottom of the Saiga factory mag and produced a reliable hi-cap. See the Saiga-12 forum. But the resulting Frankenmag is ugly and disturbs the sensibility of artistic gun nuts. Perhaps it is better to wait for the importation of more factory eight rounders and buy a few. Promises continue to be made that new rifles and mags will be coming to market in a few weeks. There have been long delays in getting the import stream restarted after Interordnance got out of the Saiga business.

Drakejake

 

[Crosshair]

I own a 7.62x39 Saiga. The mag issue is a big problem with the .308. Once they are imported again companies may start making them.

 

[Correia]

I'm a Saiga distributor. The first shipment is actually in the country, and is going through Customs. I should have my first shipment of guns in the latter half of January. I've already got most of them pre-sold, so if you want one now, give me a call.

There are two companies working on 12 ga. mags. There are no high cap mags being imported with the guns. Tromix (Tony Rumore) is working on mag conversions to the .308. We are working with Tony for all of our converted models. It is easier to adapt a cheap and readily available magazine rather than tool up and make an expensive new mag. The 7.62x39 and .223 are readily convertible to already available mags.

 

[c_yeager]

Krebs modufies .308 VEPRs to take M14 mags, so it has to be possible to make a Saiga take them as well. The problem is that the conversion itself costs more than a Saiga .308 in the first place.

 

[Drakejake]

Correction to My Prior Message

The Saiga importer was European American Armory, not Interordmance. The new importer is Russian American Armory, I believe.

Drakejake

 

[GuidoTorpedo]

I'm a Saiga distributor...

Are the Saigas that you'll be offering the same as they were before they were stopped being imported? Will any be offered with factory pistol grips or will they have to be converted?

 

[Correia]

Guido, we do both. The regular models are in the sporter configuration like before. That is the only way that they can be imported. We also do versions converted to pistol grip, folding stock, and refinished. Check my webpage for prices. www.fbmginc.com

 

[Correia]

Awesome. Russian American Armory just called. Customs has released the Saigas, and they are on the way to RAA. We will have our shipment soon.

 

[rangerruck]

now wait just a second, i got rid of my saiga 308 about 2 ysrs ago, because i understood tha remmy bought the line and baikal, just to pick up the shotgun line, and then disc the saiga all toghether. Also that there were never going to be hi cap mags for the saiga. Is this a whole new saiga now, or the same thing, if it is the same this would bite, because i bought mine when it first came out , with the 16 in bbl. for 229 dollars, and sold fo r 250! now i see these saiga for way more money , sold as used at gun shows. so are these all brand new rifles or what?

 

[rangerruck]

one more thing , on the old saiga mags, if you cut the spring down to where jsu about 2-3 loops are above the magline, and cut off about half of the bottom of the followers, whitht that littlverticle plastic line on both sides ,needs to be half inch long, you will make these into 10 round mags.

 

[Correia]

Rangerruck, EAA lost the importation rights, I don't know why exactly. EAA blew out all of their inventory to CDNN, who specializes in closeouts at very low costs. That is why most of us bought our Saigas for $200 or so. Once CDNN was out, that was it. RAAC is the new importer. It took awhile to get all of the details worked out with the Russians. They are the same guns as before. There are a few companies that have signed up as distributors. I'm one of them.

On cutting the springs, I've got no idea.

 

[femoralis]

If Saiga hi-caps become common, I suppose there is a possiblity the gov. will declare them unsporting and ban them from import.

 

[rangerruck]

Rangerruck, EAA lost the importation rights, I don't know why exactly. EAA blew out all of their inventory to CDNN, who specializes in closeouts at very low costs. That is why most of us bought our Saigas for $200 or so. Once CDNN was out, that was it. RAAC is the new importer. It took awhile to get all of the details worked out with the Russians. They are the same guns as before. There are a few companies that have signed up as distributors. I'm one of them.

On cutting the springs, I've got no idea.

ok got to the fbmg site, so now i see that im going to have to get one or two more of these. so did you say that high cap mags are available? if so , for which models and about how much are they?
one more thing... i rmemember that teh 223 and the 76239 had decent triggers, while the 308 had this half s shaped long stroke, pull up on the trigger, until you hit the back of the trigger guard crud! tell me it is not the same trigger group , please.

 

[Correia]

The trigger group on all of the sporter stocked guns is the same. That is why you convert them to pistol grip and stick in regular AK parts. If the .308 you used was appreciably different from the others, then you got one with a problem.

I look at it this way, the regular sporterized base guns are a great deal for what they are, on their own, even with the neutered mags. Once converted, they make great EBRs. Either way you get a good gun, just depends on the amount you want to spend.

The .223 and 7.62x39 are both easily convertible to take existing high cap mags. The .308 has a couple of options. Convert the gun to take modified M14 mags, (which I believe are $50 from Tromix). And there are a few other ways that people have gone about tweaking them. Tony's working on a G3 conversion, which would be great because G3 mags are a whole lot cheaper to buy that M14 mags. Check Saiga12.com to see some of the stuff that people are doing with theirs.

 

[Eric86GT]

The trigger group on all of the sporter stocked guns is the same. That is why you convert them to pistol grip and stick in regular AK parts. If the .308 you used was appreciably different from the others, then you got one with a problem.

Actually the FCG is different on the sporter S-308s. It's exactly as rangerruck described. I never fired my S-308 in sporter configuration, but dry-firing it the trigger felt better than the Saiga 7.62x39 sporter trigger with the additional axle. The factory 7.62x39 trigger was hard and just felt bad. The factory .308 trigger had a weird upward and backward movement, but felt more crisp and had a lighter pull. I converted both Saigas to pistol grip config. using G2 FCGs.

Are you and PvtPyle expecting a shipment of Saigas in April or May? I would've liked to preorder an S-12 with 19" threaded barrel for the current shipment, but I'm waiting on my tax return. I'll definitely be up to preorder in April or May.

 

[Correia]

Depends on how badly the Russian's lose their minds again. We are expecting more again in April/May. This is why you should use TurboTax. Get your refund fast that way.

 

[Eric86GT]

I do use TurboTax , but I haven't gotten my W2s yet. If I get lucky and have extra money before I get my tax return then I'll jump on an S-12 if you'll have any left.

 

[rangerruck]

i think i will be getting the 762 39, if you look at the pics from the raac site, you will see that the 762 russ and the 223 have the small half moon shaped triggers, while the 308 has the long curve half -S shaped one. if it is possible to change this trigger group, i would probably get another one of these as well.

 

[Correia]

If you want a .308, but are worried about the trigger, I would probably just convert it to standard AK configuration.