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A struggle between an Alachua County sheriff’s lieutenant and an 18-year-old Gainesville man on a busy city street ended Friday afternoon with the deputy fatally shooting the man, whom witnesses reported had attacked the deputy and tried to grab his gun. Nicholous Vertex Weeks died after Lt. Mike Hanson, a longtime officer at the Sheriff’s Office, fired multiple shots at him just south of the intersection of Northwest 39th Avenue and 34th Street, the Gainesville Police Department reported.

The shooting occurred shortly before 1 p.m. after a flood of 911 calls reported that a man was on foot and weaving through traffic on the roadway, where he tried to pull at least one woman into or from a car as well as knock out other motorists’ windows, police said. Treated after the fight for facial injuries, cuts, bruises and bite marks, Hanson was placed on administrative leave with pay, per Sheriff’s Office protocol. He has been with the agency approximately 13 years, is head of the office’s Civil Bureau and has no history involving the use of deadly force, according to the Sheriff’s Office.

Gainesville Police were conducting a criminal investigation into the shooting, while an internal investigation was launched by the Sheriff’s Office. The State Attorney’s Office, which sent an investigator to the scene, has routinely presented officer-related shootings in the county to a grand jury.

Late Friday, police still were trying to piece together what happened that led to the shooting and why Weeks, who initial reports said was unarmed, allegedly confronted drivers before attacking Hanson. During that attack, Hanson shot Weeks with his Taser stun gun, but the man got up after being stunned and continued to fight with the deputy, police said. Some of Weeks’ family and friends were at the scene of the shooting, including his mother, who was being comforted about her son’s death. Some declined interviews or said they did not know what had happened.

Jennifer Weeks, the man’s grandmother, reached by phone at her northeast Gainesville home, said she did not know details about the shooting but had been told her grandson was shot seven times. Police would not confirm Friday how many times Weeks was shot, although they did report that multiple shots were fired. Jennifer Weeks had just seen the young man, whom she called Nick, the night before. He had just returned to the area from Ocala, she said, and seemed fine as he talked to her at her home.

The young man was born and raised in the Gainesville area, his grandmother said. He had been a student at Santa Fe College during the summer and fall of 2008. SFC officials said he was enrolled in an adult education program.

Police listed him as a resident at Village Green Apartments, 3101 N.E. 15th St., although people at the complex’s office said they did not recognize him as a resident.Weeks had a prior history of criminal traffic charges and two warrants for failing to appear on two of the pending traffic cases. There were no reports that officers were attempting to serve the warrants before the incident between Weeks and the deputy occurred. Weeks also had a prior juvenile criminal history, which was characterized by an individual familiar with the history as minor.

While officers had more questions than answers about what occurred before the fight and deadly encounter between Hanson and Weeks, police said they had about 25 witnesses to the shooting. “The deputy was in a fight for his life,” Gainesville Police spokesman Lt. Keith Kameg said. “The attack became very violent, very quickly.”

One motorist, Tiffany Curtis, 21, of Gainesville, described how she was driving north on Northwest 34th Street when she saw a man walking down the middle of the road yelling at motorists. Curtis said she had never seen the man before when he looked her in the eye, came close to her car and then tried to grab her. “It was almost like he lunged at me,” Curtis said.The man yanked at her shoulders through the car’s open windows, Curtis said. Inside the car with Curtis was her infant son, but the man didn’t seem to realize there was a baby inside. “I had to swerve away and speed up,” she said, to get the man to let her go.

When Curtis looked back, she said she saw the man apparently arguing with another woman in a white car. A girl was with them. The man appeared to be angry, she said, while it looked as if the woman was trying to get him to calm down.Police later reported they thought the people in the white car were Weeks’ relatives, including his mother, who might have witnessed events, including his death. Weeks might have exited the white car in the area before the confrontations with other drivers, police said.

Curtis said that after the man tried to grab her, she drove away and called 911. When she was asked by officials to return to the area, Weeks and the deputy had already fought and Weeks was dead, she said.

Kameg said Hanson, who was on duty and in uniform, was in the area but not responding to the 911 calls when he came across the disturbance in the roadway. Hanson was in a car not marked with the normal green and white of the Sheriff’s Office but one equipped with lights, a cage and other equipment typical of a law enforcement vehicle.

Sheriff Sadie Darnell said Hanson got out of the vehicle to try and help.

Police said witnesses told them Weeks then attacked Hanson, who used his Taser to stop the other man. Weeks went down but got up after the Taser was deployed and resumed his fight with the officer, who tried to disengage himself, police said. “Weeks kept coming at the deputy,” Kameg said.

“It was a down-and-dirty, intense fight,” Darnell said.

Hanson then fired at the man, fatally wounding him, according to police.

The deputy had injuries to his head and face, including bite marks, Darnell said.

Other officers at the scene said Hanson’s radio had been broken, his glasses smashed and that there were pieces of his gear that had fallen off or were torn from his uniform.Witnesses, some of whom provided pictures and video from their phones, said Weeks was on top of Hanson, whom he had knocked to the ground and had tried to choke, officers said.Darnell said she was confident, based on initial reports she had received, that Hanson acted as necessary.

“Today is law enforcement memorial day, and we almost lost one,” she said. “According to citizens, this man was going for his firearm.

“Nobody wants to deal with having to take someone’s life,” Darnell said, but reports from witnesses were that the officer was “heroic” in dealing with the situation.
 

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I live only two blocks away from that scene. I was napping, but my wife who was in the yard says she heard the gunshots, sirens, and choppers. Didn't know what it was all about because we don't read or watch local news. Thanks for the post. If I had been there that day it would may have turned out differently.
 
There's nothing in the story to indicate anything about race and why would it matter anyway. Cops come in all colors and so do perps.
 
...Nicholous Vertex Weeks...
Freestyle spelling of first name, Funky middle name.


...Lt. Mike Hanson, a longtime officer at the Sheriff’s Office..

Hanson = Scandinavian. Most Scandinavians who immigrated to the US came in the late 1800's early 1900's. I can't think of any Scandinavian-based former-slave surnames.


Not that race is a reliable predictor to the causes surrounding any one particular case, but the poster made a logical observation.

Violence in many African American communities is epidemic, and I blame this squarely on our government's idiotic policies since "The Great Society" kicked-off. That some folks are too PC to admit this is probably the largest single contributor to the continuance of the very-real racial disparities in actual violence stats. IMO.


Les
 
From the article one can only assume the dead guy was black and the bystanders were black. Seven shots thats all, I would have given him all the rounds in the magazine.

And racism rears it's ugly head
 
I suprised at how many people stated that they live around this scene. I also live in Gainesville ,FL. This happened less than a stone throw from my Mother in laws house.
 
An observation about race is not racism.

This is true. However, an observation about race coupled with a race based comment about how the Officer is going to get shafted, along with a statement about how the poster would unload his magazine on the guy is enough to really make you wonder.
 
Not that I agree with how the assumption of race was made; the assumption was correct.

It is a shame anyone has to die at the hands of another person. The family of this young man, as well as the officers, lives will be changed forever.

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Chris Weeks, the younger brother of a man fatally shot by Alachua County Sheriff's Lt. Mike Hanson on N.W. 34th Street near the 39th Avenue intersection, arrives at the scene Friday. The victim's mother is at the far right.
 
Sometimes even when people have the facts stareing them in the face. They will still find somthing wrong about it. If someone see's it as racist others will "see" it too, thats the only reason racism still exisist's. It just goes to show, if you look for somthing hard enough, you will find it.
 
Considering the actions of the perp, we might ask if he had mental issues, or was under the influence of drugs.
Chasing down traffic, attempting to break windshields/windows, lunging at drivers, biting, scratching the officer, refusing the help from relatives, etc.

There are numerous possibilities to consider (drug use, mental issues, bad day, etc.), and we should wait for further evidence before casting judgement.
 
. . . Victim's Mother . . .

The victim's mother is at the far right.

Yeah.

That's certainly fact-based reporting.

You might want to update your dictionaries to include this new definition for "victim" as "someone who violently attacks people."

Do we now have something called "outcome-based" reporting? In which whoever happens to die is now the victim? Regardless of who starts it?

 
The news media is no longer a means of factual information. Because of the past presidential biased coverage my local newspaper's readership and subsciptions have dropped to the point to where the paper had to lay off several hundred employees and the paper has been reduced in actual size. Raised the cost from $0.50 to $0.75 for the daily and from $1.25 to $1.75 for the Sunday idition. The number of pages has also been reduced to an average of 10 pages per day. The 10 pages consist mostly of ads. I no longer subscribe to or read the Palm Beach Post.
 
Arfin,

I understand your point, however the word "Victim" has a specific meaning:

Victim: one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent; one that is injured

Pretty sure Weeks was adversely affected by force and was injured. He can legitimately be called a "victim". Since the caption was discussing Weeks as the "man fatally shot by Alachua County Sheriff's Lt. Mike Hanson", the description of his mother as "the victim's mother" is accurate and is discerning between the man who was shot (victim) and the other person named in the caption (Hanson).
 
Narrow Definition

Yes, in a narrow definition, the statement is correct.

However, I do believe there are other, equally accurate, ways of stating it.

The assailant's mother is at the far right.

I believe that's an accurate portrayal.

Or, maybe this:
The aggressor's mother is at the far right.

And so on. Perpetrator. Pick your word.

Choosing the one word that elicits the most sympathy for the fallen thug is reporting bias, not an attempt at linguistic accuracy.

It's not necessary to malign the guy, e.g. there's no need to write it as "the scumbag's mother is at the far right," but 'victim' would not have been my first choice.

 
This thread is awesome! :scrutiny:

Well I'm glad the copper is ok, I'm amazed however, that no one even tried to help. Two against one is a lot easier, even a little help would have been a big help I'm sure.
 
Arfin nailed it:

This kind of PC reporting simply does not present the facts.

And, if in trying to dig out the facts in the case I make certain assumptions based on reasonable probability--e.g., the spelling of his name suggested to me a black perpetrator as well--then so be it.

We all stereotype, and we all draw conclusions based on racial cues. That does not constitute racism.

Jim H.
 
That area is not the rough part of Gainesville so I'm sure plenty of by-standers were white. So I would say the assumption was a bit racist.

The real kicker to me was the UF school newspaper (same town FYI) insinuated that the cop shouldn't have shot so many times. It took 8 shots.

My reaction was that the cop shouldn't have reached for his taser and it could have gotten him killed. If he was close enough to reach his gun he was lucky to be alive.

Oh... for the caliber people, ASO carries Glock 22's. So that's 8 .40's in the dude to stop and kill him.
 
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