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Why is M14/M1A making a come back?

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:) Here is a saying for you dude.

Where the Rest Sucks - THE M14 ROCKS!

It really is true... Rest of you.... Agree????
 
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I agree with Sven. In my case though, 50 shots per target, 100 yards, off the bench.
 
Look at the energy stats for the 7.62 and the 5.56 at 200, 300, 400+ yds. If you're in wide open areas (and not house clearing or shooting 100yds), and your life depended on your weapon, which would you rather have? It's all about caliber.
 
The posts speaking of the loss of institutional knowledge and support mechanisms for the M-14 suggests to me that perhaps it's not the best MBR for the military.

OTOH, I think the many advantages outlined in this thread explain its enduring popularity with the general militia. :cool:
 
As a civilian in a non-SHTF scenario, I would think shooting someone preemptively at 200, 300, 400 yards with an AR15 or an M1A is called "murder."

In a military situation, sure, I can see that; but a previous poster in the sandbox says most engagements are within 100M anyways. Which is plenty close enough to get your day ruined by any assortment of small arms, be it carried by the soldier or mounted on a vehicle.
 
I assumed the armourer's for the sniper units, familiar with the M21, would be able to train ordinary armourers for the M14 DMRs etc.
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Wrong again. The M21 hasn't been a "mainstream" system for over 15 years. It was replaced by the M24 SWS, a bolt action rifle based on the Rem 700. And unit level armorers aren't trained on it. When an M24 acts up (rare, but happens) it's sent back to Remington for repair or replacement. The only units that still have M21s, spare parts, and armorers that can work on them - in the Army, at least - are the Special Forces Groups.
 
I bought an SA National Match M1A back in the 80's. I figure it's now worth at least twice what I paid for it; not a bad investment.
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20 years to double your money is a really poor investment. Having something you've enjoyed for 20 years is a wise expenditure, regardless of its end value.
 
I got my M1A because I always liked the M1 Garands-I own two of those. Having shot and carried the M16 I know all the typical stated advantages of it, "It's lighter! You can carry more ammo! It's easy to clean! etc, etc, etc". While the "souped up .22" is fine for target shooting it just won't reliable knock down anyone at 250+yards-and keep them down. My brother in law kept saying I should buy his Colt AR-15 and I'd tell him, "You couldn't GIVE me that gun! Well, you COULD GIVE it to me. Then I'd sell it and buy something good!":evil: I bought my M1A at Tulsa about 7 years ago. A guy was looking at it (it was in a black fiberglass stock) and there was a young guy standing by him with the original box and a Birch stock. I asked the kid if it was his and how much he wanted for it. "Yes, it is mine and I want $850 plus an additional $50 for the Birch stock." The guy looking at it asks me if I want to see it and I said sure. That kid hadn't put more than 50-60 rounds through it, the rifle was beautiful. I kept it in my hands, reached in my pocket and pulled out $700 and said I'd pay him $700 cash right then and there but I wanted the Birch stock too! He thought about it (and the other guy's standing there with his mouth hanging open. :eek: ) for a few seconds and says "OK!" :D The other guy says, "I said you could look at it, not buy it!" :banghead: And I replied, "You handed it to me. You snooze, you loose!" :neener: I love that rifle-tough choice when I go to the range to shoot. M1 or M1A???:rolleyes:
 
They are greta reliable hard hitting weapons, and can be modified in many ways, have 4 FAL's and to say a FAL or G3 can do a better job is a bit much.
They are tried and true Battle rifles, and If push came to shove I would take my M1A over my FAL's including my Belgian.
 

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Too bad the L85 doesn't work half the time. Seriously though, did they ever get the old SA-80 to ever work right or is it still a junker?
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The latest reports from the field seem to indicate that the L85a2 is more reliable than even the M4s and M16s, its always been more accurate and turned into a nice little rifle. Just took 20 years really to sort out, but so did just about every other weapon system currently being fielded. For instance the Garand took nearly 20 years too to sort out all the bugs.

The L86a2 with the longer heavy barrel and bipod has pretty much taken on the role of a dmr nowadays. Its easily capable of engaging enemies at 800 yards like the M14 dmrs with match ammo and fires the same rounds and magazines as the L85a2s while the Minimi has become the main supressive fire weapon.
 
^ Yay! A person with sense at last! :D

Pretty impressive that a 5.56mm rifle can match a 7.62mm rifle of the same length, no?
 
The latest reports from the field seem to indicate that the L85a2 is more reliable than even the M4s and M16s, its always been more accurate and turned into a nice little rifle.
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How accurate is it, and how reliable? Give us some numbers.
 
Hitting a target at long range is one thing. Doing damage is another. No thanks, I'll stick with the 7.62 NATO for things past 300 yards.
 
I've heard that about the L85a2 as well. I consider the first versions very problematic, but the newer versions, from the reports I've heard, are turning out to be nice weapons. Kind of like the first AR15s to be used in Vietnam. I think we all know that they weren't the most reliable out there at that time. With a longer barrel to get more velocity for fragmentation and accuracy, I assume that this would be a pretty good gun to use in combat.

All hearsay and opinions, but the gun has gotten better.

I wish the US army would go back to the 7.62 NATO. It doesn't kick. You heard me, the .308 doesn't kick. The only version of a .308 I've ever fired were lightweight Mountain guns used for white-tail hunting. Even with full-power loads and a light gun, the round has never kicked as much as others. Sure, it may kick more than a 5.56, but then again, what doesn't? Train our soldiers to work with the 7.62 and save the 5.56 for close-up building clearing. I have always thought the 5.56 is a really great round when used at close ranges. Within 100 yards, the 5.56 will easily dispatch the target because the bullet still has enough velocity to properly fragment.

I have a question, though. It may be off topic, but why doesn't the military consider the .243? It's already prooven itself to be a flat-shooting, high velocity round without much recoil but a pretty good amount of power. I've been contemplating the US military using this round for a while, and I can't really find anything wrong with it.
 
Hitting a target at long range is one thing. Doing damage is another. No thanks, I'll stick with the 7.62 NATO for things past 300 yards.
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It has been my experience that people in combat will actually try to hide from you -- using rocks, trees, logs, berms, walls and so on. Which is why I like a cartridge that can shoot through things like that.:p
 
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Select-fire and... fully transferable! New old stock Smith Enterprise, Inc. receiver.

Exact duplicate of USN SEAL weapon, except this rifle features the superior SEI 18" chrome lined, M118LR chamber, P/N 2027 barrel. Bolt engraved MK14 Mod O with anchor.

Unfired except for factory certification testing. This will be the only fully transferable select-fire Smith Enterprise, Inc. MK14 Mod O ever available on the NFA market.

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"I have a question, though. It may be off topic, but why doesn't the military consider the .243? It's already prooven itself to be a flat-shooting, high velocity round without much recoil but a pretty good amount of power. I've been contemplating the US military using this round for a while, and I can't really find anything wrong with it."

I have actually been wondering the same thing. Proven cartridge, seems like a good compromise..........
 
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