Why Is This Forum So Heavily Moderated?

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Bill T

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I'm new here but it doesn't take long to notice that as soon as a thread gets intresting with some good posts, it gets locked down. Why? For example the "Girls With Guns" thread. There was no nudity posted, and it was getting a lot of replys. Why lock it? Same with the "Gangbangers In Gunstores". The reason was because it had 223 posts. So what? Is that some kind of mystical limit? I can understand if there is vulgar language, or nude photos, etc. But none of those threads had any of that. All this does over time is make a forum bland and Vanilla. If advertisers want this, (and I don't believe for a second they do), that would shy me away from their products, not draw me to them. Most people hate censorship. On a public forum some at times may be necessary. But I think this is going a little overboard. Bill T.
 
In truth, I think that this board is moderated better than any similar board on the net. The mods have a kind of sixth-sense about where a thread will go and when posters will get out of hand. They're very fair, IMO, in these decisions and keep things downright orderly while allowing folks to enjoy and express opinions as long as disagreement is voiced (so to speak) with respect for all involved while staying relatively close to the Mission Statement.
Two pennies worth...
Biker
 
I can't speak for the mods but the basic point of this forum is to talk about guns. When things get too far off track, the mods lock down the thread. I have had issue with it before esp. in the legal and politcal forum but I have just learned to not go there anymore. The legal and political forum is moderated by people that seem to just looking for an excuse to ban people. Why have such a forum if you will not allow people to talk freely about the issues?

I think the L&P forum is a trap and I avoid even posting there for fear of being banned. It is like bait, you give people a forum to talk about hot political sujects and then you ban them for talking about it.:fire: It is a bunch of BS.

Stick to gun ONLY subjects here and never try to talk about ANYTHING else and you will be fine. It is not a bad forum, it is just strict.
 
Choice is good.

There are plenty of unmoderated boards. If this board was unmoderated, it would become just like the others.

There are so many boards with a low signal-to-noise ratio; this board is an oasis in the Internet desert.
 
I personally feel the moderating here is some of the best I've encountered, the right balance between the heavy hand at some forums (anytime a moderator rants about members' screen names, there's a problem IMO) and the anything goes of others.
 
The moderators here seem to be doing their best to manage a rapidly-growing user-base, many of whom are new, and many of whom haven't quite come to grips with the tone and style of discussion that this community has chosen to embrace. Rapid growth strains the bonds of any social group, and online groups more than most. During those transitional periods it's not uncommon to see inconsistencies in standards.

Over-moderated? Under-moderated? It all depends completely on the perception of the individual. I can tell you this, though - on the internet, people vote with their feet. There are a million forums, and if users weren't comfortable with this one they'd read and post somewhere else. The only meangful measure of success is attendance, and from the way this forum has been growing by leaps and bounds, I'd say that the vast majority of people seem to like the way this one is moderated.

Personally? I like it pretty well, but I'm not so attached to my own opinion that I take it as some kind of personal insult if a thread gets locked. Other people may find that sort of thing more threatening, I guess.

Just remember the cardinal rule here - there is no right to free speech on private property, and the server this forum runs on is owned and paid for. This is not a public space, and for all practical purposes we're no different than guests in someone's home. Therefore, we should conduct ourselves accordingly.
 
One of the reasons I come here is because I think this forum is very well moderated. Want to see a forum with poor moderators, try ar-15.com. It isn't a forum you would want your young kids to visit. Do I go there? Yes, but this is a much better place to hang out. Most of us like it here.
 
"I think the L&P forum is a trap and I avoid even posting there for fear of being banned. It is like bait, you give people a forum to talk about hot political sujects and then you ban them for talking about it. It is a bunch of BS."

This is exactly what I'm talking about. How are you going to have a forum about laws and politics, and not have it get spirited? No one is talking about "spewing off". Locking a thread because "it might get out of hand" is nothing more than keeping things boring and bland. Kind of like CBS. Bill T.
 
Want to see a forum with poor moderators, try ar-15.com. It isn't a forum you would want your young kids to visit.

I don't have kids, but I visit AR-15.com all the time. You will learn more there about rifles, magazines, sights, etc. in 5 minutes than you will at a vanilla factory in 5 months. Does it have rough language? At times yes. Do they kick people off for it, no. That is the main reason it is so informative. Remember the old shooters.com? They moderated the crap out of the place, banned members left and right. Where are they now? They were one of the biggest shooting boards on the net. Were being the key word in that sentence. Bill T.
 
I hang on three gun-related boards. I have many more on my ignore list. I moderate on TFF and read/post on THR and TFL because they are so well moderated. If I want an argument or fight instead of a discussion or debate, I'll go to a biker-bar in a three-piece suit and tie. :neener: :D

Pops
 
You know they won't just let anybody start up a site on that there interweb, no sir..

You don't like it, start your own website.
 
I wish more boards were moderated as well as this one. In the years that I've been reading this, I've never seen a single locked thread that I thought had been treated unfairly (and I'll continue to think so even if this one is locked as being off-topic).

I've stopped reading certain forums because of their lack of moderation, and a couple because they were the owner's personal ego-trip, but The High Road lives up to its name, and I'm grateful for it.
 
I think the moderatorss do a good job.
It ain't easy being a good moderator. Calls for judgement and discretion and our do all right.

If I can exist here comfortably(and I can), then any reasonable person will have no problem at all.

Sam
 
Bill, I'll try to respond to some of your points.

it doesn't take long to notice that as soon as a thread gets intresting with some good posts, it gets locked down

No - if a thread veers off-topic or has become nothing but repetition and long-winded blathering, it gets locked down. I remind you of the purpose of this forum, as stated on our home page:

Meet fellow forum members, find a common ground. Introduce new people to responsible firearm ownership. Posts must be related to firearms.

"Babes with guns" might be related to firearms, but tends to concentrate on the babes, which is not our focus here. The "Gangbangers" thread, as I mentioned when I closed it, had 223 posts and was 9 pages long. If anything worth saying about that had not been said, I didn't notice it. We've learned that once any thread gets over three or four pages, the signal-to-noise ratio gets way out of balance.

All this does over time is make a forum bland and Vanilla

On the contrary - it helps the forum to stay focused on its mission. We are unashamedly a 2A / RKBA / firearms forum. We do not want to become an "anything goes" type of forum: nor do we want a less-than-High-Road discussion, where profanity, personal attacks, deviation from topic, and flame wars are permitted. We hold ourselves to a high standard, and we look to our members to help us maintain that standard. As some of the earlier replies from our members have shown, I think we're achieving that objective.

I have had issue with it before esp. in the legal and politcal forum but I have just learned to not go there anymore. The legal and political forum is moderated by people that seem to just looking for an excuse to ban people. Why have such a forum if you will not allow people to talk freely about the issues?

Albanian, with respect, you're off base here. May I remind you of the purpose of the L&P forum, from our home page?

Get informed on issues affecting the right to keep and bear arms and other civil rights. Coordinate activism, debate with allies and opponents. Discuss laws concerning firearm ownership, concealed carry and self-defense.

Threads that don't fit into this definition, or purpose, will be closed. Also, threads that degenerate into name-calling, or political diatribes, are not wanted here. For those wanting to pontificate about "Republi-can'ts" or "Democrats", there are plenty of other forums and venues on the Internet to provide an outlet for their rants. We don't want it here. Another problem is the sheer blinkered, blind, stubborn persistence of those who can't or won't accept that their point of view isn't the only one. This applies particularly to those who rant and rave about the alleged fact that any law restricting the use of firearms is a violation of the Second Amendment. They completely ignore the fact that the same constitution that gave us the Second Amendment also set up legislative, executive and judicial powers to implement, administer and oversee the Constitution, and that the laws which govern us today have been judged to be Constitutional by those very Constitutionally-mandated authorities. We try to crack down on that sort of verbiage, because it's flat-out wrong, and doesn't get us anywhere. We encourage meaningful political debate within the confines of our mission, and threads that stay on track are not shut down.

The moderators here seem to be doing their best to manage a rapidly-growing user-base, many of whom are new, and many of whom haven't quite come to grips with the tone and style of discussion that this community has chosen to embrace. Rapid growth strains the bonds of any social group, and online groups more than most. During those transitional periods it's not uncommon to see inconsistencies in standards.

'Card, thanks for pointing this out. We are growing by leaps and bounds, and many of our new members haven't learned (yet) how we do things here. We do our best to impart a High Road standard by our own posts as moderators, and we greatly value the example set by many of our long-term members. Many of our newer members have fit in very well with this standard. Unfortunately, there are those who post first and think later . . . and this causes us some extra work as moderators. Generally, after a gentle hint, the problem disappears. With those like Gunkid and his ilk, stronger measures are sometimes necessary.

I'd like to conclude by pointing out that we do rely heavily on our members to alert us to problems. Every post has a "report this post to a moderator" icon next to it. You'd be amazed by how many "reports" like this we get every day. Usually it's not a moderator who first spots a problem - it's a member, who hits the "alert" button and warns us. Thanks to you all!
 
I don't find the house rules as policed by the moderators to be hard to live with.

I think the idea is discussion with limited heat . Particularly if the heat starts to get personal in nature. It's good excercise in keeping your cool when strong opinions suround you - and are different than yours.

Like many , there are times when I would like to reach through the monitor and grab someone by the neck and do the Homer to Bart - "why you little !!" thingy . It's probably best to keep it more civil .
 
I like things the way the are... but then I grew up in a generation where civility and manners were the norm.

We moderated ourselves, or we got our little butts whupped!!



To the moderators, it's a shame you are needed but apparently that is a sign of the times.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!
 
I think it isn't to bad. However, I would really like to see more threads stay open and not so heavily moderated. Particuarly in the L&P area of the site.

I think you can keep order just fine without quite as much locking down as we have around here.

Certianly isn't enough to make me want to leave, but I wouldn't mind seeing it lightin up a bit.
 
This board is moderated just fine. The moderation of this board is one of the aspects which encouraged me to join here when I was lurking around looking for an interesting firearms forum to join.
 
I would really like to see more threads stay open and not so heavily moderated. Particuarly in the L&P area of the site. I think you can keep order just fine without quite as much locking down as we have around here. Certianly isn't enough to make me want to leave, but I wouldn't mind seeing it lightin up a bit.

I couldn't agree more. Bill T.
 
While I find something kind of funny about a person who just joined complaining and saying how the forum is doomed I have to say I love the moderation here. The moderators aren't mean, biased, or play favorites. They keep the discussion and forum on track and keep conversations civil. THR doesn't seem nearly as bigoted and racist as many other gun forums for example. If you seek less moderation, there are plenty of forums like that but I personally find them less pleasant to read. Discussions here seem to stay academic alot longer before they turn nasty.
 
This is THE best board around the W3. I've seen and participated in some where the language and fighting would be enough to make a sailor blush, and on others where some of the so-called "moderators" would ridicule, insult and bait some of the members for their opinions or selections while using their 'position' of moderator as a shield to hide behind, to avoid retaliation. None of that foolishness here, and i like it that way. THR is where it's at!
 
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