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WHY "Made in the USA"

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Maybe your neighbor lost his job so you should only buy guns from your own town. I hope you live in Ithaca, New York.
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Ithaca Gun hasn't been in Ithaca for many years. I think they are in Ohio now...

Anyway, I have had many experiences with manufacturing in the US and overseas. I used to work for a large pump company, a name that you would all know, that began buying products from "low cost of production" countries. Long story short, they had to buy 25-50% more product to meet the orders because they scrapped out that much of the imported product. They actually hired a bunch of labor to short the crap. Not to mention the lead contamination in the surface coatings. It's been like that for YEARS...it's not just dog food and candy....

I now work for the family business....a machine/stamping shop. We SELL goods to a Dutch company in China because they cannot produce the parts in country.

In my line of work it's all about quality. If you want real quality, you shop in the US, Germany and Japan. That's about it. I see firearms as just another precision piece of craftsmanship.

Manufacturing is/will return to the US. The complications and pitfalls of third world manufacturing do not truly make sense for most durable goods (read real metal) type production. Computer chips and such maybe.....maybe but not high quality iron and steel manufacturing.
 
The original thread shows a very simplistic view of the world. Can we compete with $1 a day labor, no, and I don't want to. Can we compete with other countries where the government offers 0% interest financing on almost all exports, no. It's not a level playing field folks, so it has absolutely nothing to do with who does what best. The standard of manufacturing in places like Malaysia, CHina and Vietnam, to name a few, is well below the standard of US made goods. However when your labor cost is 10%% of US costs you can make it up in volume.

And I don't know of anyone that wants to earn 90% less so we can compete that way. The simple view of global economics leads to 1/2 of American workers serving burgers at McDonalds to the other 1/2 working at Walmart.
 
"In my line of work it's all about quality. If you want real quality, you shop in the US, Germany and Japan. That's about it. I see firearms as just another precision piece of craftsmanship."

If you are talking about firearms, Czechoslovakia has been making weapons as fine as any country's since before WWII. I don't know about their other products but their arms industry is first rate to the point that it even remained first rate under communism. I know of no other industry in no other communist country that can make that claim.
 
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Some of your American made guns, aren't completely American made, either. I got a Keltec P11 many years ago, big American flag on the box, "100% American Made!"...and the magazing was stamped MecGar...
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Some mags ARE made in the US. They are right down the road from me. I just wish they would sell direct to the public. These are the guys who make the Kimber (close by in Yonkers, NY) proprietary double stack mags for my Pro BP Ten II hi-cap 1911.

MEC-GAR USA, INC.
905 Middle Street
Middletown, CT 06457
 
Even the American firearms manufacturers have products made overseas. Some of very good quality, and some not.

Made in the USA labels must have a certain percentage of US parts to wear that label.

Looked at a Leupold scope box lately? Compare an old one to a new one. I once had a Springfield .45 that had a Brazilian frame. Even though many items are assembled in the US they may have enough components to dis allow the "Made in USA" tag. Look closely at some Carhartts, check out the tag, last stuff I looked at was made in Mexico. My Danner boots, China.

It's gotten bad for the US manufacturers, too many jobs lost to the constant clamor for dividends.

Well... where are those dividends now shareholders? The whole economy is in the crapper.

Now would be an excellent time to create jobs and products in the US. Will it happen? I can see no reason not to...
 
The truth is the US has been living on reputation for a few decades when it comes to manufacturing. Build a better car than Japan and people will buy it. When I have to work for my money and I see a CZ that is cheaper and better quality than a Rem or Win, gonna pass on the Remmy.

You want my business you have to EARN it, stop wasting my time by bragging about useless advertising and show me WHY I should buy it, not because your 30 year old chevy is still running, but why I should spend 30G on a ride that has higher maintenance cost, worse fuel economy, shorter lifespan, lower resale than a 15K civic.

Put up or shut up.
 
Why I buy made in the USA. If someone puts in a little convenience store close to me, and everyone in the neighborhood goes to the Wal-mart Super-Center in the next town, the little store can't last. But if all the neighbors support the little store, they hire local people to work in the store because they know everybody in the community, and help the local schools programs, and help the City. The money stays local, and I have a better chance of getting it again.

Put this on a Country wide basis. If I don't support Companies that hire local workers, and support our local Gov. and people, will I have a chance to get the money again? Will it be better for me if they send everything out of the country? This is just my personal opinion, you can flame me if you want, but I can guarantee you it will not change my opinion. If you don't support your local country first, you have no business living there , and should move to the countries that you support. :)
 
Bryon Quick...That's two countries now..And has been ever sense the USSR went under in 1989. By Jan 1, 1993 they were Czech Republic and Slovakia. Which one makes the firearms? And are they as good now as they were when it was one country?
 
I buy guns based on what I like, not what country it comes from. That being said, I own many U.S. made firearms.
 
About half of my guns are American made. The rest come from all over. Let's face it you can't beat a CZ rimfire. I really don't look at where a gun was made when I buy it. As long as it's a quality firearm.
 
And on the topic of the Civic, they're made in the USA Mine was built in East Liberty, Ohio.
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Built by Americans, all the profit going to Japan. An American made Honda is not the same quality as a Japanese made Honda, same parts, different assemblers. I know a few Honda techs and they all say the US built cars are not put together with the same care as Japanese made cars. He told us that a head from Japan came around and could pick out the US assembled vehicles from the Japanese assembled vehicles because of how the fenders and bumpers lined up, or didn't. And that the US built vehicles have a higher cost of ownership. Far less than if you were to buy a US brand vehicle, and considerably cheaper than owning a European built car.

THAT should tell us all something about why people buy foreign made products. Americans just don't care about building a quality product like they used to.

There is a reason why my 70 year old Savage will out shoot my new Savage. Why my 1967 10/22 is considerably more accurate and better built than my 3 year old model. Why my Remington 600 feels better, has a better trigger, and is more accurate than my now long gone "target" model 700.

Product used to be built to far higher standards than they are now, because they did not have the technology to build them like we do today they had to be built tougher. And now that technology is far higher manufacturing companies have dropped the quality.

Why do you think we still drive our 68 Chevies and Dodges and have very little maintenance cost compared to our new vehicles? Because Honda and Toyota are building cars with the same quality and pride that the US used to have, and the US auto makers are trying to play catch up.
 
I don't know about that, Dookie. My 1998 Silverado made in Texas (probably by mexicans) and my Kimber UCC II are American made and are of the highest quality and have not cost me anything except normal up keep like tires and oil changes. I have just a little over 100,000 miles on the Chevy and just over 1,000 rounds through the Kimber. Yup the handgun is new.

We still make excellent products here. We just have to get the price down. Of course the unions wouldn't like my solution one itty-bitty bit...
 
american made

dont blame the unions altho they do have some blame.BLAME THE EVIORMENTAL LAWS ANT THE TAX STUCTURE.
New England was the center of the textile manufactoring.the machinery was not updated and r&d was ignored(draper corp)soon it moved to the south(we have low wages)now it has gone overseas.companies were forced to clean up the air and ground.OVER SEAS.wages went up and workers had money to spend,cost went up.medical benifits were given.then greed began.mean while in the south right to work law went into effect.wages stayed low,no medical,no pensions.the south is still in poverty.
as to oil the price depends not on the oil comp but on the stock market people buy futures and hope to make a killing.why do you think the price of gas has dropped so far????every one got out of oil futures.
and last REM/marlin/h&R is owned by a financial group as is Savage.the best guns colt made were the small autos.the 45 was loose as a goose.why they could not have double stacked it,and made it 9mm one will never know.the new mg is made in belgium,the pistol is Italian.:banghead::rolleyes::uhoh:
 
"Bryon Quick...That's two countries now..And has been ever sense the USSR went under in 1989. By Jan 1, 1993 they were Czech Republic and Slovakia. Which one makes the firearms? And are they as good now as they were when it was one country?"

I knew that but had forgotten it...thanks. From the CZ website it appears to be the Czech Republic that makes the firearms.

As far as whether they are as good now as when it was one country, I haven't heard any complaints. I have firearms made before-BRNO 602ZKK-and afterwards-CZ550FS and CZ452-I can't tell a difference in quality.
 
Just a quick note to put out there. MRI's cost about 90 bucks in Japan. Maybe like $2000 here. Oh and they are done on portable MRI machines.

Healthcare does not HAVE to be so expensive.

Anyways I support my local business and try to never shop at walmart but it can be hard. I also bought an XD and was suprised that it was made in Croatia. So yeah, I buy American if it's practical. I am a practical kinda guy.
 
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My Civic, before it was rear ended THREE TIMES in a year, was perfect. Almost four years old now and despite that has given me zero issues.
 
Well, our Republic might be on the verge of not having any American owned car manufacturers.

Can you only imagine if there were no pistols made in the U.S. of A.? We would be totally hostage to the gun control U.N.
 
My 1998 Silverado made in Texas (probably by mexicans) and my Kimber UCC II are American made and are of the highest quality and have not cost me anything except normal up keep like tires and oil changes.
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Sorry, did not mean to lump US made pickups in with my tirade. My brother has a BRAND new Tundra TRD, sweet pickup, has all the options, big engine, everything, it gets out hauled by his friends 95 dodge ram 360, and another friends 2002 chevy diesel, and still gets worse fuel mileage. It's a great truck, but more of a tough toy than a worker.

No one makes a pickup like American, Ford, Dodge or Chevy. Except Isuzu.
 
It's sort of funny how no one cares where the bullets they shoot are/were made.

Anyone buy only US made ammo?
 
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