Why not more stainless steel?

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The cost and weight seem to be the only reasons S&W switched from the all-metal 3rd Gen series (ie: my shiny but heavy 5906 ‘pimp gun’) to the M&P series with polymer.

Miami Vice’s Don Johnson--seen here with a S&W 3rd Gen:cool:-- would have looked ‘as cool’ carrying a modern polymer gun?
Or Agent Scully (X-Files) with a polymer vs. her all-metal Sig P228?

OP: I'm "with you", and wouldn't mind another rifle in stainless steel. Owned a ss Mini 14 and 30 in 2008-2009. No idea about the various 'angles' regarding longer rifles or shotguns.
Imagine a Saiga 12 shotgun in stainless. Krasivaya/beautiful?
 
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My childhood friend has a 500 mariner and I would guess the barrels stainless but I honestly don't know- maybe chrome?

The Mariner finish is a coating. No idea why hunting shotguns aren't made in stainless. Seems like every duck or goose hunt I was on involved snow or rain.

To me, finishes are related to what I want the gun for. For a working/carry/hunting gun, stainless please. Military should be Parkerized.

For esthetics, blued and wood every time.
 
Stainless steel is expensive and can be difficult to machine both of which drive costs up compared to a blued gun. A blued gun is pretty especially when mated with a nice piece of walnut but stainless looks good in walnut. Camo wraps can be easily applied and removed with out fear of damage if the shine might give you away. I would never purchase a blued gun again if everything I wanted could be gotten stainless. Chrome finishes like Henry uses and some marine shotguns, no, not going for that. I guess it better than nothing. The thing about stainless is not just the exterior but the bore, inside the receiver, all the bits and pieces, screws, are also generally stainless. And, I am a contrarian I suppose but nothing is more beautiful to me for a gun than stainless steel save for maybe titanium.
 
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I love the Ruger Mark II and III standard six-inch tapered barrel in stainless. Great looking guns. I also really liked my old 6906. Not sure if anything but the slide was stainless, but what a tank!
 
My handgun tally is roughly 50/50 stainless vs blued-coated.

Other than the gas-tube parts on my Garands, the long gun safe only has two residents made with stainless materials. Both are Rugers; an older 580-series Mini-14 and a 10/22 International.

I’d love to have a couple of bolt action stainless rifles for hunting, and a lever gun or two for hunting or play, but a Remington 1100 or Beretta A303 in all-stainless would be fantastic. :thumbup:

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Because stainless steel is expensive, difficult to machine, higher chances of galling. It just sucks no matter how you slice it.

I have got rid of countless kimber 1911s and walther ppk 380s, and other autos because of galling. I don't like to use grease in guns especially carry guns that see the elements and collect enough crap as it is.

With revolvers there seems to be a nice trade off. Frame is stainless and parts carbon steel based so chances of galling is slim to none.
 
I've accumulated about a dozen stainless or stainless/polymer short guns over the years, mostly Rugers.
Outside of the P-90DC, a Ladysmith 3913 and a couple of AMT Back-ups, the stainless guns that I have carried and tend to reach for are a ROA and a Single Six.
 
There are some shiny stainless steel guns made, however the vast majority are less reflective than blued guns that have any polish to them. A flat blued finish will reflect light about the same as most stainless steel guns.
 
The barrels on my stainless bolt actions are about the same color as the oak limbs around the stand I sit in. A few years back on a dove hunt, a guy had a really nice Auto-5, and he might as well been holding a mirror the way light was gleaming off of it. I could see it from 40 acres away. I think he still managed to kill a limit though.
 
With stainless, you have to take galling into account. The stainless galling problem has been figured out for some time now, but still, it's something that may cause trouble and has to be figured into the manufacture of the gun.
Amen to this. I fit frames to slides for Les for many years, and The stainless guns often had galling problems. The final assemblers would always work in a tiny bit of JB lapping compound to eliminate the potential galling. This usually resulted in the tiniest bit of play in the frame to slide fit, which was why Les did not offer the 1 1/2" guarantee @ 50 yrds on stainless guns.
 
The barrels on my stainless bolt actions are about the same color as the oak limbs around the stand I sit in. A few years back on a dove hunt, a guy had a really nice Auto-5, and he might as well been holding a mirror the way light was gleaming off of it. I could see it from 40 acres away. I think he still managed to kill a limit though.

I am kinda thinking the reflectivity of stainless guns is over hyped. Saying that, the receiver on my Marlin 336SS and 1895SBL are mirror polished but I can get that reusable camo wrap at Walmart for a few bucks and cover most reflective areas. The barrel surface on my Savage stainless rifle in 6.5CM is more like a bead blasted finish and does not reflect light, neither does my Kimber in 6.5CM. But, again, a camo wrap is useful to hide the gun barrels. If I were a sniper in the Marines or something like that I can see it making a difference, for the rest, probably not.
 
Miami Vice’s Don Johnson--seen here with a S&W 3rd Gen:cool:-- would have looked ‘as cool’ carrying a modern polymer gun?

He was even more cool with the Bren Ten. ;)

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I'm pretty sure that slide is hard chromed. Again, because of stainless steel galling.

I have the suspicion that Don is a gun guy, but I don't know that for sure...
 
But Don Johnson's >> character <<, Sonny something (?), as seen in photos from Miami Vice, must have been a gun guy.....

Most of us clearly realize that these photos are only fantasy, as with the X-Files shots of Agent Scully holding her all-metal Sig P228.
 
I like stainless on a fullsize duty pistol, like the S&W 5906 or 4006. If it's matte, I don't think the reflection would be an issue. I believe all current Sig slides are stainless, so the color issue isn't relevant- it can be treated and darkened.

I think it's just a bit heavier, so that might be an issue.

My only current stainless (light colored) are a pair of S&W 5906's that my son and I share. I absolutely wouldn't mind a CZ 75, Beretta 92SF, 1911 and HP in that, too, and occasionally look at the Tisas stainless HP for that reason. It would be neat to have a modern rifle of some sort in that.
 
Keep in mind not all stainless is left silver. Supposedly the entire smith M&P line have stainless slides with a nitride or melonite finish. A few other manufacturers do this, too.
 
I prefer stainless steel in firearms when available.

BTW, you can chemically blacken stainless steel if reflection is an issue for the application.

I believe S&W 6906 had an aluminum alloy frame, stainless slide.
 
Can't really argue on the relative cost of stainless steels versus non-stainless steels.

Can't really argue on the difficulty to machine, except to say, stainless in industry has been around for a long time now, and things have been learned that make the job faster and easier. Learned, as in the right tooling material and cutter shapes.

To the above, many parts are IC or MIM process, so machining is minimal or non existent.

I can say, one major "cost" of production is not the cost of materials, or specialty tooling, but rather the speed of production. These days, its all about how fast something can be produced. How many units per hour, or per day or week, etc.

And, I can say, that the price of any item in the market place has absolutely nothing, zero, zip nada to do with "cost of production", but rather what the market will bear in terms of price. In other words, if by some magic it a company could produce a stainless steel firearm for less raw cost than a blued one, it would still charge more for the stainless one - because the market would pay the price asked.

One interesting item we see is that the "expensive to produce" polygonal barrel was used in the superior model version of a certain brain of guns. As it turns out, the traditional land/groove barrel is produced by the same process (hammer forging), and actually costs more because it is produced at a slower rate. Go figure. And, that's marketing for ya.
 
I have several guns of the same model in SS, or satin nickel, and blued. I like both the blue and silver, but if I had to chose, it would be SS. Not a big fan at all of the old shiny, slightly yellowish chrome like on older revolvers that flakes off a lot of guns if they are treated roughly. But there's one thing I want in pretty much all my guns, steel and more steel.
 
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