salthouse
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Its my favorite gun. And its a terrific home defense weapon. I have an AR, and a Garand. When someone breaks in, they have to deal with me and the AR and my wife with M-1. (I'm a gentleman)
Why should we own M1 Carbines?
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mljdeckard
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So will a heavy bolt rifle in a magnum caliber. Doesn't make it near ideal for home defense.
bonza
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About 30 years ago I bought a Underwood M1 Carbine, without a magazine, for $20. Found a 30 shot magazine for $25! It was a lot of fun to shoot, just wasn't my 'thing' back then so traded it for something more 'useful'.....wish I hadn't now!
Speedo66
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There's a bunch of places selling Wolf for $13 or so per box of 50, including Aim Surplus and Ammoman.
sharkhunter2018
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I love the Carbine. I picked up one of the AO Carbines about two years ago. It can do about 2MOA at 50. Based on that, I know it is more than capable out to 100. I put mine on HD duty every once in a while. It's a handy little package.
I've been toying with the idea of getting a Ultimak rail for it and mounting an Aimpoint. Make it my go to groundhog gun for around the farm.
I've been toying with the idea of getting a Ultimak rail for it and mounting an Aimpoint. Make it my go to groundhog gun for around the farm.
Oohrah
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I really HATE them. Bought my first in the early 60s for
$20 from the DCM. An accurate Winchester in excellent
to almost new condition.
Hated it so bad that I bought
four more in Service grade from CMP for many times the price
I paid for the first one. Varied condition from very good to like
new on one.
A mustang Marine Major on Iwo, would not touch one. He also
never saw what a soft nosed or a Hornady half jacketed 100gr
bullet at over 2000 fps does to flesh. As a LEO many years ago,
I found that a soft nosed 30 was a better instant stop on Feral Dogs
and pigs than the 357 Mag of that day. Instant one shot kills, when
a couple of times the 357 required a second round for total lights out:banghead: Sitting jack rabbits were a head and a ring of fur.
It halved a runnning jack. Never used it on deer, but should be
close to 7.62X39 (slightly weak). Seen several downed with SKS
rifles in this area with single rounds
BEAUTY MUST BE IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER!!!!!!
$20 from the DCM. An accurate Winchester in excellent
to almost new condition.
Hated it so bad that I boughtfour more in Service grade from CMP for many times the price
I paid for the first one. Varied condition from very good to like
new on one.
A mustang Marine Major on Iwo, would not touch one. He also
never saw what a soft nosed or a Hornady half jacketed 100gr
bullet at over 2000 fps does to flesh. As a LEO many years ago,
I found that a soft nosed 30 was a better instant stop on Feral Dogs
and pigs than the 357 Mag of that day. Instant one shot kills, when
a couple of times the 357 required a second round for total lights out:banghead: Sitting jack rabbits were a head and a ring of fur.
It halved a runnning jack. Never used it on deer, but should be
close to 7.62X39 (slightly weak). Seen several downed with SKS
rifles in this area with single rounds
BEAUTY MUST BE IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER!!!!!!
If you had to choose between a Mini-30 and an M1 Carbine, which would you choose?
The 7.62x39 has slightly more fps (2300 versus 1900), slightly heavier (120-130 grains versus 110 grains), and a better ballistic coefficient.
An Auto-Ordanance M1 Carbine will set you back nearly $900, a CMP Carbine (in passable state) will set you back nearly $500, while a brand new stainless Mini-30 will set you back $600-$700.
The 7.62x39 has slightly more fps (2300 versus 1900), slightly heavier (120-130 grains versus 110 grains), and a better ballistic coefficient.
An Auto-Ordanance M1 Carbine will set you back nearly $900, a CMP Carbine (in passable state) will set you back nearly $500, while a brand new stainless Mini-30 will set you back $600-$700.
jjohnson
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Because we can. For now.
I bought my DCM M1 Carbine over a year ago because I could. I have other milsurps that I enjoy shooting and it's part of the collection.
I enjoyed having one as a kid 35 years ago, and it was fun to shoot, though even then I knew it wasn't much good as a hunting rifle or 'battle implement' like the '03-A3 I had at the same time.
For the moment we're allowed to own them.
And that's the only reason I need.
I bought my DCM M1 Carbine over a year ago because I could. I have other milsurps that I enjoy shooting and it's part of the collection.
I enjoyed having one as a kid 35 years ago, and it was fun to shoot, though even then I knew it wasn't much good as a hunting rifle or 'battle implement' like the '03-A3 I had at the same time.
For the moment we're allowed to own them.
And that's the only reason I need.
mljdeckard
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The reason I would choose an M-1 Carbine over a mini-30, is that I will only shoot Russian ammo in Russian guns. The mini-30 is also a great little rifle, but I won't shoot Wolf through it. It loses a lot of the cost advantage when you decide to only shoot higher-grade ammo. (And I already have an SKS.)
1KPerDay
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Why not? You can't hurt it...
1KPerDay
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Unfortunately about the cheapest you're going to be able to find for brass, reloadable ammo is either Aguila (from the CMP) or factory reloads from cannedheat. Both are about $.33/rd shipped IIRC. Not cheap to shoot anymore.
Sure is fun, though.
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its a dang pretty gun that a petite lady or child or lazy adult male can use effectively.
With good shot placement it does the job fine.
It has a sense of history to the weapon without being cumbersome from age... and that says a lot in my book.
With good shot placement it does the job fine.
It has a sense of history to the weapon without being cumbersome from age... and that says a lot in my book.
mordechaianiliewicz
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While I understand the criticisms of the M-1, and can't say they aren't wrong. It is very much underpowered for a longarm. But, I like to think of it as a purpose built weapon.
In urban combat scenarios, it isn't bad. You are going to have to throw alot of rounds in an urban scenario, and you'll have to operate at distances no more than 200 yards away for the most part. Often, you are 100 yards or less from your enemy.
.357 Mag is the most effective handgun cartridge for self-defense (in pistols), so you are looking at an auto .357 (in ballistics and power) designed for short range urban warfare. That is why you would want it.
And of course, because they are cool. Historically they are interesting. And like just about everything else, they are fun to plink with. Would it be my first choice? No. But, I'd feel alot better with an M-1 Carbine than any pistol in a combat situation, and I'd feel much better with it than a shotgun. Simply because while it hasn't got rifle range or power, it has more range than handguns or shotguns.
In urban combat scenarios, it isn't bad. You are going to have to throw alot of rounds in an urban scenario, and you'll have to operate at distances no more than 200 yards away for the most part. Often, you are 100 yards or less from your enemy.
.357 Mag is the most effective handgun cartridge for self-defense (in pistols), so you are looking at an auto .357 (in ballistics and power) designed for short range urban warfare. That is why you would want it.
And of course, because they are cool. Historically they are interesting. And like just about everything else, they are fun to plink with. Would it be my first choice? No. But, I'd feel alot better with an M-1 Carbine than any pistol in a combat situation, and I'd feel much better with it than a shotgun. Simply because while it hasn't got rifle range or power, it has more range than handguns or shotguns.
The M1 carbine was a 'dead-end' in weapons development. It was a temporary expedient, intended for people who didn't know how to shoot and were too lazy to learn.
IMHO, the commercial short-barrelled, stockless 'Enforcer' model serves no legitimate purpose and plays right into the hands of the anti-gun gang. Even the name is needlessly inflamatory. :banghead:
IMHO, the commercial short-barrelled, stockless 'Enforcer' model serves no legitimate purpose and plays right into the hands of the anti-gun gang. Even the name is needlessly inflamatory. :banghead:
Sparing the lives of enemy soldiers isn't exactly anything for a combat firearm to brag about!
m1 carbine was a distinguished rifle in the hands of US Soldiers in 2 wars and in the hands of US and Foreign Legion troops in Vietnam. It is a handy, close range, fast action weapon that does an adequate job on a mansized target.
I honestly do not know where the hostility comes from other than I CAN'T (and I guess several other people out there) own one as I don't have the $$$ to buy a used or new one.
I honestly do not know where the hostility comes from other than I CAN'T (and I guess several other people out there) own one as I don't have the $$$ to buy a used or new one.
HorseSoldier
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Debatable. The idea of a light, handy weapon for rear area troops or those who have other primary duties on the battlefield besides working a rifle seems to remain very much alive. Add to that the fact that most assault rifles have more in common with the M1 carbine than the M1 Garand, and it's hard to argue the carbine was an undisputed dead end.
(Admittedly, had they just chopped 20-25mm off the case length of 30-06 rather than the 30 Carbine round it would have been a whole lot more influential and revolutionay.)
Let's be fair to the guys who were issued it -- they got the firearms training the US military saw fit to give them (which, with carbine or Garand was okay for its day, I suppose, and wholly inadequate by modern standards). It wasn't like most units in WW2 or Korea were provided unlimited ammunition supplies for training, so laziness doesn't have much of anything to do with combat marksmanship skills with either rifle or carbine (or BAR or anything else). Nor is it like guys who could shoot were invariably issued a Garand and guys who couldn't got a carbine -- you got issued a weapon based on your duty position and unit TO&E, generally without regard to firearms handling ability.
"They" didn't use the picture as a campaign ad. Some dude did it on his own, and it gained traction. I think the style is more like Andy Warhol than Soviet Propaganda, though you're right about the Che Guevara poster similarity.
GarandOwner
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...Because its made of all things that are good
Nugilum
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GarandOwner
Yea, it does look and feel like a mini Garand. mmm... warm and fuzzy feelings...
Yea, it does look and feel like a mini Garand.
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