Why would pics be a problem?

[EIB0879]

I don't like random people taking my picture.

That's me. A few months ago I was at a party and someone was taking pictures of me. I asked him to delete it and he got smart with me. Wrong move. Found out from the person putting on the party that he didn't have permission and he wasn't being invited back because of his behaviour.

 

[GJSchulze]

The club I shoot at has a no pictures - no video without prior Board approval rule. I never asked what the reasoning was.

My club did the same thing and since you are from upstate, I have to wonder if it's the same club. Is it in Monroe County?

The reason given is the club does not want it appearing on social media. They don't want to take a chance of something negative that can be used against it. I think it's more about the locals because it's in a populated area surrounded by apartments and a shopping center. They don't want to give them ammunition to ban the club. You have to sign an agreement to not post the video. If you do, you're out of the club.

 

[pockets]

But what about the meme we read so often here; "A photo or it didn't happen" ?


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[psyopspec]

@ Larry Ashcraft

Can you imagine the field day the antis and the media would have with some photos or videos of an IPSC match?

Searching for "IPSC" on Youtube brings up over 200,000 results. If the fear is that safely and legally shooting guns must not appear in media because of what the antis might do, I'd say the cat's out of the bag.

 

[rbernie]

Maybe they don't want photography because they're concerned with the privacy rights of other members who may not wish to be photographed, or who don't want their equipment photographed.

This is the most common reason used by the ranges around my neck of the woods.

 

[Lord Teapot]

ranges have varying rules like that. as another poster mentioned, probably not a good idea to do a media blackout on responsible range activity/enjoyment, currently the only media attention guns get is negative. we reinforce that image by not promoting responsible, enjoyable, shooting via pictures and video to the wider nation and world. but, as i said, ranges have their rules and they're entitled to make and enforce them, however suicidal long-term they may be.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Why not apply the philosophy many of us have with guns–banning very specific behaviors–rather than a blanket prohibition on photography? Why not, "No photos taken in an unsafe manner," or, "No photos are to be taken of anyone without their explicit permission?"

Who's gonna enforce that? They would need to hire at least one extra person per shift (more if it's a giant facility) just for that purpose.

Maybe X is fine with having his picture taken but the photo has Y, who is not, in the background.

Personally I do not want my photo taken.

 

[old lady new shooter]

I've seen the same thing at ranges, gun stores, gun clubs, and such. I'm sure it has to do with stopping anti-gunners from editing film creatively. At all of them I've never been stopped from taking a photo of a gun I was thinking about buying, or of a target.

I don't take pictures of much of anything else. I sure ain't going to take one of some stranger.

A good way to take a picture of a target is to tape it to your refrigerator.

 

[Ryanxia]

I know when I bring new shooters to the range, half the fun for them is to have their picture taken holding a tacticool gun and posting it all over their social media pages. I encourage it because it shows their friends/family that they were able to go out shooting, have fun and be safe, and many times starts a dialog.

If you happen to be caught in a picture, oh well butter cup.
Worse case I can see is an anti-gunner joining the range to take member's pictures, in which case I'd smile for the camera and probably bring it up and have them ejected.

You should be more concerned with Government/State property cameras creeping up everywhere on the street than some dork with his iphone.

 

[psyopspec]

@OLNS

Who's gonna enforce that?

Who enforces the other rules at your range? There's your answer. As an added bonus, there's a second person who can help out–yourself. Politely but firmly saying "Excuse me, but I'd prefer not to be in your photos. Can you please take them from another angle?" Or better yet, "Hey, it looks like you guys are having a great day at the range. I'm glad to see that, but don't want to be in your photo. If it helps, I'd be happy to take one of you together with your camera."

Don't you think it's just a little silly to have gun owners calling for a ban on something just because of what a small minority of bad apples might do? Especially when those bad apples tend to be the type who don't care about the rules or politeness anyway?

 

[Ryanxia]

@OLNS



Who enforces the other rules at your range? There's your answer. As an added bonus, there's a second person who can help out–yourself. Politely but firmly saying "Excuse me, but I'd prefer not to be in your photos. Can you please take them from another angle?" Or better yet, "Hey, it looks like you guys are having a great day at the range. I'm glad to see that, but don't want to be in your photo. If it helps, I'd be happy to take one of you together with your camera."

Don't you think it's just a little silly to have gun owners calling for a ban on something just because of what a small minority of bad apples might do? Especially when those bad apples tend to be the type who don't care about the rules or politeness anyway?

But confronting someone (even politely) like a man is just too darn tough for people these days.

 

[psyopspec]

But confronting someone (even politely) like a man is just too darn tough for people these days.

That's the frosting on the irony cake–the spirit of this thread is basically folks saying, "I'm an independent person who stands for the rights of the individual... unless you want to take a photo, in which case I'm all for enforcing my will via policy dictating the behavior of other individuals. And I'll let the policy be my security blanket rather than having an individual interaction."

Really, THR? Camera-free zones are going to solve problem? Maybe we should just do that with guns in places where we need to be safe.

And I'll say it again till I'm blue in the face, shooters burying their head in the sand will put 2A in a death spiral. What's already "fringe" to some becomes utterly abnormal when you try to take it underground. I respect everyone's choice, they're full welcome to it; but please understand that choices have consequences. If you believe like I do that rights are bigger than individual, and that we have a duty to pass them on, think carefully on this one. Support 300 AAC blackout at your local range, instead of a media blackout.

 

[Gun Master]

Waz Up ?

Es macht nichts (mox nix)!

 

[oneounceload]

Clear of the concept from you and others, got it, and agree no one should take your photo without permission. However, do you really think a media blackout at ranges where people legally and safely enjoy firearms is the way to guarantee that freedom into the future, especially in an era where the internet is how most young people learn about the world?

While I understand where you are coming from, it should be left to the person whose pic is being taken. If they are OK with it, then take pics (safely) and go promote gun ownership. Some of us do NOT trust social media or socialist governments to use something like that without a nefarious objective.

 

[Turftech1]

My shooting range is 5,000 square miles of desert. No one has ever bothered me about taking pictures.

I have gone to local gun clubs, or store firing ranges a few times. I really like the convenience of having the targets on a motorized zip-line, otherwise, I prefer to go out into the middle of nowhere, and shoot into a good hill.

I guess that's not always an option.

The best is to go out with some friends, bring a dutch oven and some charcoal, throw something yummy in, shoot for a few hours, then eat around a campfire.

Hard to beat that kind of shooting.

 

[IWAC]

Well, despite the hoo hah about "Don't never take me or my kids' picture, or you're in trouble!" The facts are: if a person is in a public venue, like on public street, park, or at a public gun range, or even doing something in their yard, or even in the living room with the drapes open, and it is readily visible from a public area, (street or sidewalk) there is no expectation of privacy, except in their own mind.
If anyone should get hands-on violent with a photographer in a public place, expect to be arrested and charged with at least assault, battery, and vandalism, if damage is done to the photog's equipment.

The Supreme Court has ruled on that situation several times that I know of. Under those circumstances you have no expectation of privacy, and anyone can take pictures or video what they like.

One day, my friend and I were photographing in an area that is both public and where wedding photographs are taken. We took some photos of a bride and groom, and were later approached by another photographer, who said the couple didn't want their photos taken, and would we please delete our pictures. That was very nervy of her, and we were well within our "rignts" to tell her to get lost. But, both of us are aware of the reputation that some irresponsible and rude photogs have tarred us all with, and the couple was not that good-looking anyway, so we agreed.

Now, Whether or not you should take pictures is totally another question. Some people are uber sensitive about things, and have very little self-control. "Dead men can't press trifles". Common sense should govern, and remember; "FEET, save the body!".

In a private area, or at a private occasion, the owner or business may make whatever rules they wish, and that is enough to start a whole new discussion. So, be wise.

 

[morcey2]

My shooting range is 5,000 square miles of desert. No one has ever bothered me about taking pictures.

I have gone to local gun clubs, or store firing ranges a few times. I really like the convenience of having the targets on a motorized zip-line, otherwise, I prefer to go out into the middle of nowhere, and shoot into a good hill.

I guess that's not always an option.

The best is to go out with some friends, bring a dutch oven and some charcoal, throw something yummy in, shoot for a few hours, then eat around a campfire.

Hard to beat that kind of shooting.

I think we share the same range. Funny, though, I've never seen you there. Is it the one that sits between I-15 and the Nevada border, between cedar city and Tooele? Or is yours farther east?

Matt

 

[old lady new shooter]

pretty interesting...

It's pretty interesting that people who are posting along the lines of "Too bad if you don't want your picture taken!" are posting using a screen name and no clear location.

 

[psyopspec]

@oneounceload

While I understand where you are coming from, it should be left to the person whose pic is being taken. If they are OK with it, then take pics (safely) and go promote gun ownership. Some of us do NOT trust social media or socialist governments to use something like that without a nefarious objective.

Like I said, I agree it's up to the individual about whether they want to be in a pic. But what is it that necessitates a blanket policy, versus having a conversation to convey your interests?

 

[Ryanxia]

It's pretty interesting that people who are posting along the lines of "Too bad if you don't want your picture taken!" are posting using a screen name and no clear location.

From my point of view, getting caught in the background of a guy taking a picture of his girlfriend shooting for the first time is a little different than posting your full name and address on a politically charged public forum.
And I notice you don't have your name or location listed either

 

[IWAC]

It's pretty interesting that people who are posting along the lines of "Too bad if you don't want your picture taken!" are posting using a screen name and no clear location.

What relevance might that have to the conversation? Our choice, our right to privacy; besides, you can find us right here!

 

[old lady new shooter]

I notice you don't have your name or location listed either

Correct, I don't have my name or location posted. I also don't participate on facebook. And I don't want my picture taken without my permission. It's called being consistent in my attempts to preserve my privacy.

 

[old lady new shooter]

What relevance might that have to the conversation? Our choice, our right to privacy; besides, you can find us right here!

The relevance is that a person taking measures to preserve his or her own privacy while lecturing others to ignore having their privacy compromised, is not exactly demonstrating consistent principles.

 

[BSA1]

Another concern is what is the picture going to be used for?

If it is for commercial use then I should be compenstated for the use of my likeness .

 

[YankeeFlyr]

As the OP...

...the only reason I wondered about the policy was that it prevents me from taking pics of my family members on the firing line.

I'd have liked to take some shots of my wife firing my 1911 for the first time, or with my uncle and his new .357. I really have no other property to shoot on, and I pay club dues and the range fee...

Gotta say, I've belonged to ranges in many states, and never heard of this kind of rule. Also, it wasn't that way when I first joined in 2012.

Just sayin.