Why you should care about dove hunting..

[Barbara]

Why you should care about dove hunting..

I don’t hunt doves, so why should I care?
If you hunt or fish at all, you should care. HSUS and similar groups have no intention of stopping at dove hunting. Any win they get will only empower them to raise more funds and become even more daring in forcing the elimination your right to hunt, fish or trap. They’ve done it in other states; they’ll do it here.

I only shoot clays or targets, not animals, so this doesn’t affect me.
It does affect you. Studies show that if someone does not become involved in shooting sports prior to age 18, they likely never will. One of the most common ways for people to become involved in shooting sports is hunting with their families. Those who want to ban hunting will ultimately have an effect on your right to enjoy your sport as well.

I don’t hunt at all. Should I still be concerned?
Absolutely! If you eat meat or eggs, raise horses, visit the zoo or even have a cherished family pet, this issue will eventually affect you. These animal rights extremists are not interested in caring for stray pets; they want to eliminate pets altogether, even if it means their extinction. They have a stated goal of abolishing all animal agriculture. They have even spoken out against the Guide Dogs that enrich the lives of our disabled citizens.

Doesn’t the Humane Society care for animals in local shelters?
No! The Humane Society of the United States does not operate a single shelter. They are often confused with the American Humane Association, which raises funds for animal welfare. The Humane Society of the United States has a political agenda, not an interest in caring for abandoned pets.

Then what do they do with the money they solicit?
They have over $99,000,000 in assets but do not operate or fund a single shelter and instead use their revenues to work towards banning hunting and other examples of what they call animal exploitation.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Stopping the anti-dove hunting extremists takes a bite out of socialism.

 

[Smoke]

If there were no dove hunting allowed I wouldn't be as humble as I am.

Smoke

 

[Barbara]

It's scary how few people realize what HSUS is and how it does affect them. It is *not* the nice people at the animal shelter down street. HSUS would be fine with the death and extinction of all domestic pets. They have a radical political agenda and are fed by unwary people who think they're helping take care of lost kitties.

 

[Barbara]

"If we could shut down all sport hunting in a moment, we would." – Wayne Pacelle, as quoted by the Associated Press in Impassioned Agitator, December 30, 1991.

"Our goal is to get sport hunting in the same category as cock fighting and dog fighting." – Wayne Pacelle, as quoted in the Bozeman Daily Chronicle, October 8, 1991.

"Sport hunting—the killing of wild animals as recreation—is fundamentally at odds with the values of a humane, just and caring society." – HSUS Website 2003.

"The vast majority of species that are hunted—waterfowl, upland birds, mourning doves, squirrels, raccoons, rabbits, crows, coyotes, etc.—provide minimal sustenance and do not require population control." – HSUS Website 2003.

"Duck hunters often exceed their bag limits or kill protected species because most hunters cannot identify the species of duck that they shoot." – HSUS Website 2003.

"We have no problems with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding." – Animal People News, May 1, 1993.

"Dont breed dogs, dont buy, dont even accept giveaways" HSUS CEO John Hoyt in a 1991 speech.

"Our goal is to get sport hunting in the same category as cock fighting and dog fighting. Our opponents say that hunting is a tradition. We say traditions can change."
(Quoted in Bozeman Daily Chronicle, Oct. 8, 1991)
"Only 7% of Americans are hunters. That means there are more of us than there are of them. It is simply a matter of democracy. The majority rules in a democracy. We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States... We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state."
(Full Cry, October 1990)

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Interviewer: "Where would your organization support Black Bear hunting - anywhere in the United States?"

Pacelle: "Nowhere"

Interviewer: "Where does your organization support the hunting of deer - anywhere in the United States?"

Pacelle: "Nowhere"

Interviewer: "Where, in the United States, does your organization support any hunting of any species?"

Pacelle: "Nowhere"

Interviewer: "So the real agenda and goal of Fund For Animals is a total ban on all hunting everywhere?"

Pacelle: "Yes."

Interviewer: "So all this debate about whether or not the Black Bear is threatened or endangered and the actual number of Black Bear that we have in Florida is really irrelevant since the goal of your organization is to ban all hunting everywhere?"

Pacelle: "Yes"


www.michiganhunting.org

 

[beerslurpy]

Quoted because I would hate for something like this to be ignored at the bottom of a long post.

I think that a huge boon to the hunting groups could realized by getting rid of the concept of "sporting purposes". This way people who want to ban guns will no longer indirectly assault RKBA by attacking their sporting uses (shutting down hunting and target shooting areas). As long as self defense is a legit use of a firearm, attacking hunting on these grounds is worthless (and would mostly stop, I expect).

Interviewer: "Where would your organization support Black Bear hunting - anywhere in the United States?"

Pacelle: "Nowhere"

Interviewer: "Where does your organization support the hunting of deer - anywhere in the United States?"

Pacelle: "Nowhere"

Interviewer: "Where, in the United States, does your organization support any hunting of any species?"

Pacelle: "Nowhere"

Interviewer: "So the real agenda and goal of Fund For Animals is a total ban on all hunting everywhere?"

Pacelle: "Yes."

Interviewer: "So all this debate about whether or not the Black Bear is threatened or endangered and the actual number of Black Bear that we have in Florida is really irrelevant since the goal of your organization is to ban all hunting everywhere?"

Pacelle: "Yes"

 

[Marshall]

Barbara, thanks for posting this!

Few things get my blood boiling more than this. I spend quite a bit of money and time toward supporting hunting and the rights to keep it. I do it because I love the it and I want want my kids children to be able to enjoy it as well. I've got some great Labrador Retrievers that enjoy it as well and, my cat likes playing with them.

One thing that is on our side is that the states receive a ton of money because of hunting and fishing and would not let this go quietly. However, in order to keep it going for years and years to come, we need to make sure there are hunters and fisherman in our future! If we don't introduce our children to it, we'll be in trouble some day.

 

[Alex45ACP]

 

[Barbara]

Exactly true..these groups are funded globaly, with shadowy financing..in the US they have to make filings but not necessarily for global operations..you can imagine where some of that money probably comes from.

A lot of people become interested in guns and gun rights because of hunting. I grew up in a place where most people had a gun..and people didn't fear them. If hunting is banned, there will be a lot less interest or even familiarity with firearms. Without familiarity, there will be more fear and more success by gun control groups.

These animal rights extremists pluck off the weakest sections. There aren't many trappers, so they go after them. Not a lot of people dove or bear hunt..they attack them thinking there won't be a backlash.

This is a case where we all have to hang together or we'll all hang separately, for sure.

 

[Monkeyleg]

I've posted this comment before, but it needs repeating on this thread.

Two years ago, during an NRA Election Volunteer meeting, I got to talking with a couple of NRA lobbyists. They said that the NRA believes that hunting is more in danger than the ownership of guns. HSUS and PETA are far more organized and effective than the Brady Bunch or the VPC.

The hunters who believe the politicians' claims of being for "the rights of hunters and sportsmen" need to wake up. They need to realize that we're all in this fight together.

 

[LAR-15]

Why are you besmirching the good name of the late Cleveland Amory and his friends?

No mention of the Fund For Animals?

Carry on!

 

[Art Eatman]

One of the "big three" outdoor mags (Sports Afield? I disremember) had a lengthy interview with Pacelle. IIRC, back around 1991.

Got some friend that is only a fisherman, who's sorta uninterested in a hunter's problems? Pacelle has stated that fishing is no better than hunting, but one thing at a time. First, hunting; then, fishing.

Art

 

[Barbara]

Fund for Animals merged with HSUS last year.

I know the FAQ, especially on the website, is geared for a different crowd.

The reason for that was that in order to win this, I think we have to get involvement from a lot of places..sports fishers, dairy farmers, egg producers, petting zoo folks..even insurance companies (insurance companies pay big deer claims each year..and are big supporters of hunting contests, etc. here.)

 

[Mannlicher]

I care a LOT about dove hunting. I am also pretty active in presenting my views to my representatives.

 

[shermacman]

Beerslurpy nails it.
If you can weaken the entire hunting/fishing ethos, then having a gun or a knife has "no sporting purpose". One giant step closer to total gun bans. Incrementally, slowly, steadily.
So, yes, dove hunting is important, even if you don't hunt them yourself.

 

[nico]

Got some friend that is only a fisherman, who's sorta uninterested in a hunter's problems? Pacelle has stated that fishing is no better than hunting, but one thing at a time. First, hunting; then, fishing.

Well, in a way I agree with him, that fishing is morally no different than hunting. I just wish we could convince more fishermen of that fact. I've met too many fishermen who give you a funny look if you mention hunting.

 

[Barbara]

It's not just fishermen in this case..they go after everyone..horse breeders, guide dogs, any human/animal contact at all.

 

[Dan from MI]

Non hunting gunowners need to help support this since like it or not, a large percentage of gunowner support is only due to "the right to hunt". That infamous "sporting purposes" clause for example.

Hunters who aren't dove hunters need to support this else theirs is next.

Most importantly, hunting is how most gunowners become part of the "gun culture". Where are the most pro-2a areas?? How is the future going to be?

I'm 30 minutes away from the People's Republic of Ann Arbor, a haven of limosine liberals(the worst kind). We all know how left wing and anti-gun, anti-conservative, and anti-libertarian Ann Arbor is. My area (mostly conservative with a libertarian presence in some areas) is about the exact opposite of Ann Arbor, but for how long? My county has over doubled in population during my lifetime(I'm a native). People from Detroit(east), Flint(West), Ann Arbor(South), and Lansing(West) are all moving out here and bring their politics with them. People move here for the "country living", but there's less and less country. Will the gun attitudes change here as well? That's my worry. I don't want us to be another Oakland County or worse, Ann Arbor.

http://www.michiganhunting.org

 

[El Tejon]

Whoa! HSUS/Bambiists spoke out against guide/helper dogs?!?!

 

[Khaotic]

Gee, we remove the natural predator of a species, and then hunt it for sport, meat, and to manage overpopulation, therefore restoring the natural balance we upset by removing the predators, and these goons have a problem with that ?

I do not hunt, because I cannot use a rifle worth diddly, and I prefer supermarket food - that doesn't mean I do not support hunting, mind.

One of the most horrific sights was seeing starved-to-death deer that were not ALLOWED to be hunted because of people like this... which is the greater cruelty ?

Another good case example was a small plane airstrip that had to shut down because they were not ALLOWED to blow away the nuisance birds who would congregate at the end of the runway and then spook into the path of light aircraft on takeoff, with disastrous results.

Ludicrous, innit ?

Of course, I have oddball ideas on "hunting" anyway - for most hunting is a highly ritualized practice that has more to do with tradition than actual procurement of game, which is understandable and respectable, or a hobby.

My concept of hunting involves "gathering food" and has little to do with niceties of law and regulations and nitpicking, thus I shop at the supermarket and everyones happier.... cause I dun wanna cast bad light on the folks above.

-K

 

[Barbara]

Thought I'd give this a bump. We'll have a table at Cabelas on Saturday..by the mountain, next to the wood carvers. It's their big fishing weekend, so if you're there, drop by and say hi.

 

[jefnvk]

Duck hunters often exceed their bag limits or kill protected species because most hunters cannot identify the species of duck that they shoot." – HSUS Website 2003.

Obviously they have never been duck hunting.

 

[Dan from MI]

Onward!

 

[Barbara]

You got it!

People don't realize that even if they don't care about dove hunting, it has a lot larger implications..a lot of the battle is going to be getting that across.

It's going to boil down to money, unfortunately..they have a lot..we need to raise a lot.

If anyone wants to make a donation, you can do that..it would be much appreciated, for sure. There's information on the website. Funds will be combined with other pro-hunting groups to coordinate efforts in this fight.

 

[Barbara]

To give you an idea..this group alone has committed to donating $15,000..and that is a drop in the bucket compared to what its going to take.