WI CCW, ASSEMBLY VETO OVERRIDE TOMORROW, Tue 27th
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I just watched and listend to that mess. What in God's name are they doing over there in Madison?!?!?!Fulliautomatix
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It gets better... 
Stay tuned.. same bat time... same bat channel... :banghead:
Doyle isn't speaking tonight is he?
Stay tuned.. same bat time... same bat channel... :banghead:
Doyle isn't speaking tonight is he?
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You're not going to believe this from remembering what happened last time. We had our supporters in the Capitol ready to go and they called a Senate caucus that lasted all day.
Today, with only one minute into the assembly, the dems called for another caucus. A brief caucus. The pols broke out laughing when they heard the word brief.
Bastards.
Today, with only one minute into the assembly, the dems called for another caucus. A brief caucus. The pols broke out laughing when they heard the word brief.
Bastards.
If it is the Republicans that called the caucus...
I'd wager a guess that to many of the legislators, this override is "bigger" than just the RKBA, and self-defense issues that the CCW bill has on the surface.
I think that there are some in the Republican majority leadership that are absolutely just itching to get an override on Governor Doyle. There hasn't been a successful gubernatorial veto override in WI for over fifteen years. They also lost a critical state wide spending/property tax cap veto override last fall by one vote that flipped by surprise at the last minute.
So I think there are those out there who want this override very, very, badly, for reasons that have nothing to do with our gun rights, whether they support them or not.
The good news is that may mean there may be significant horse-trading going on behind the scenes to get this override through. So perhaps that will help us.
I'd wager a guess that to many of the legislators, this override is "bigger" than just the RKBA, and self-defense issues that the CCW bill has on the surface.
I think that there are some in the Republican majority leadership that are absolutely just itching to get an override on Governor Doyle. There hasn't been a successful gubernatorial veto override in WI for over fifteen years. They also lost a critical state wide spending/property tax cap veto override last fall by one vote that flipped by surprise at the last minute.
So I think there are those out there who want this override very, very, badly, for reasons that have nothing to do with our gun rights, whether they support them or not.
The good news is that may mean there may be significant horse-trading going on behind the scenes to get this override through. So perhaps that will help us.
romulus
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Belling isn't optimistic and I'm afraid he's right. Doyle is such a snake only God knows what threats and empty promises he's making behind the scenes...
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well now...
until today, I've been fairly pessimistic about the whole thing. However, a friend had a VERY long talk with our very anti assemblycritter (Zeigelbauer). And, although he's still completely against it, HE thinks it's gonna pass...
Still in recess for "Partisan Caucus" at 1537. Where's that nailbite smiley when we need it?
until today, I've been fairly pessimistic about the whole thing. However, a friend had a VERY long talk with our very anti assemblycritter (Zeigelbauer). And, although he's still completely against it, HE thinks it's gonna pass...
Still in recess for "Partisan Caucus" at 1537. Where's that nailbite smiley when we need it?
On Belling's show...
I would guess that Belling (A Milwaukee conservative raido personality for those not from SE WI...)isn't optimistic because he's looking at override passage from a odds standpoint, like calculating footbal picks from the Vegas points spread.
There Senate passed CCW with four extra votes than needed to override. They lost three votes, and passed the override with one extra vote to spare.
The Assembly passed CCW two votes shy of being override proof, but with two Republicans who voted against it promising to vote for the override. That meant that CCW had exactly the 66 assemblymen needed. So all Doyle has to do is turn one of the 7 Democrats.
So from a pure odds standpoint Belling is right, the Assembly is a harder fight. But that dosen't account for the human factor. We have no idea exactly what pressure is being brought to bear.
But if it's the Democratic caucus holding things up, it may well be that the Democratic minority leadership is afraid they'll lose again, just like they did in the Senate. Conversely, it could be giving them one more chance to pressure the 7 critical Democrat Assemblymen into changing their votes.
It cuts both ways.
But Doyle isn't the only one who can make threats or promises. I've been told that our side has some pretty big incentives for the 7 Democrats to not switch. Also all 7 of those Democrats are representing small town and rural districts, not the big liberal cesspools like Madison and Milwaukee.
This is right on the knife edge. I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic.
I would guess that Belling (A Milwaukee conservative raido personality for those not from SE WI...)isn't optimistic because he's looking at override passage from a odds standpoint, like calculating footbal picks from the Vegas points spread.
There Senate passed CCW with four extra votes than needed to override. They lost three votes, and passed the override with one extra vote to spare.
The Assembly passed CCW two votes shy of being override proof, but with two Republicans who voted against it promising to vote for the override. That meant that CCW had exactly the 66 assemblymen needed. So all Doyle has to do is turn one of the 7 Democrats.
So from a pure odds standpoint Belling is right, the Assembly is a harder fight. But that dosen't account for the human factor. We have no idea exactly what pressure is being brought to bear.
But if it's the Democratic caucus holding things up, it may well be that the Democratic minority leadership is afraid they'll lose again, just like they did in the Senate.
Conversely, it could be giving them one more chance to pressure the 7 critical Democrat Assemblymen into changing their votes. It cuts both ways.
But Doyle isn't the only one who can make threats or promises. I've been told that our side has some pretty big incentives for the 7 Democrats to not switch. Also all 7 of those Democrats are representing small town and rural districts, not the big liberal cesspools like Madison and Milwaukee.
This is right on the knife edge. I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic.
xenophon
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For real, this is more suspenseful than most movies I've watched all year.
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tommytrauma
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I spoke briefly with the NRA lobbyist yesterday evening. He understood that at least one republican wouldn't be at the session until tonight, and that he expected a stall of the vote until that rep could be there. This caucus might well be a good thing.
xenophon
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yeah looks to be video up as of 3:53pm CST.
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tommytrauma
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John Gard doesn't want a vote today? Can we assume then that the republicans think it can't pass right now?
Yup, the dems are pushing for a vote, the republicans are fighting it. There must be a supporter missing or something.
Yup, the dems are pushing for a vote, the republicans are fighting it. There must be a supporter missing or something.
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Sounds like they are going to postpone till thursday! No! Move to vote at this time! What the hell...
romulus
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It's getting nasty on the floor...
Having problems getting a reliable feed here so can't tell you. Sorry.
edit - ok so far the debate is not about the specifics of the bill (although Schneider has just said he will vote to override) but about Dem allegations that the Reps are planning to delay the vote until some Dems can't get in to vote and so pass it by underhand tactics.
edit - ok so far the debate is not about the specifics of the bill (although Schneider has just said he will vote to override) but about Dem allegations that the Reps are planning to delay the vote until some Dems can't get in to vote and so pass it by underhand tactics.
TRAVIS - says that LEO's oppose and that the Bill is for 'crass political purposes' and that the Bill is 'repugnant'. Says that the Bill supporters don't 'have the votes'.
Still having feed issues.
Playing games over a motion to honour a soldier who fell in Iraq in order to delay/push the vote. Blood may be spilled.
Still having feed issues.
Playing games over a motion to honour a soldier who fell in Iraq in order to delay/push the vote. Blood may be spilled.
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