Wife Confronted at Gas Pump

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EOTech said:
"I'd have pulled out a gun and told the guy, "We're all out of unleaded, so unless you sit down on the ground and put your hands on your head, and refrain from moving until the nice deputies get here, you'll wind up topped off with lead."

Even if I didn't have a gun, I'd have pepper sprayed him in the face and then hit him with a tire iron. I'm not getting robbed by some arrogant sap who thinks he can just pull into a gas station and make somebody else pay for his gas..."



Sounds macho-------------but I'm sure your puilling a weapon in this instance would have landed YOU with legal issues. Sure--the guy is scum- but deadly force was not justified (emotionally justified perhaps). Pepper spray is more appropriate - hence why I always carry both to suit the need at the moment.
 
Seems to me:
1) the teenager should have gone inside to report he was being robbed.
2) the woman should have backed her car away from the robber and called 911 from a safe distance.
 
I'd have pulled out a gun and told the guy, "We're all out of unleaded, so unless you sit down on the ground and put your hands on your head, and refrain from moving until the nice deputies get here, you'll wind up topped off with lead."

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I didn't say shoot the guy, but a guy who is three feet from me and has already made it clear he is going to rob me, may very well have a gun or a knife. I'm not taking my chances... I'd pull my gun and tell him he isn't moving until the police get there.

If you mace him, he may draw a gun and start shooting left and right, blindly, spraying and praying.
 
Hazwaste...

I've fended off multiple attackers before, and I've done stuff that I'm not going to talk about in any online forum, let alone an online forum with complete strangers...

I've been dealing with bullies for years, and sending them running away with their tails tucked between their legs...
 
As far as pepper spray goes, I only carry it when I cannot carry a gun. I don't like to have pepper spray with me when I am carrying my gun, because some crazy prosecutor, who was not in my shoes at the time, and thus can second guess me with ease, might try to say that I didn't even try a less-than-lethal option, I just went right to the gun.

I prefer to do what I have to do and I know that I am the best one to decide how to handle myself in the situations I face.

Sometimes I have pepper spray, but I really hate having it around when I have a gun, and I try to limit when I have it.
 
I've had to fend off multiple attackers even when I didn't have a gun, and I was able to get through it by bluffing them into thinking I was about to draw a gun out (all I had was a knife at the time).

Let's put it this way...

When you have nothing worth drawing, either you can decline to bluff and lose for sure, and you can bluff and possibly win.

Acting tough can win, acting weak gets you nowhere...

Folding really isn't an option when you have three or four people coming at you... This is real-life we're talking about, not some Las Vegas poker table.



That thug was bold enough to walk right up and rob gasoline from that terrified young man... If that terrified young man had projected and portrayed confidence and strength before the man approached him, he probably never would have approached him. If he had been assertive during the confrontation, the man probably would have left and that would have been that.

If you present yourself as a doormat, don't be shocked when you get walked on.
 
This is real-life we're talking about, not some Las Vegas poker table.

Yes, very real indeed. In real life tough-guy posturing or pulling a gun on a perp who is not attempting to physically harm could very well not have the expected effect.
 
I always tell my wife to keep her wits about her. Unfortuantley, i'm afraid my wife doesn't listen to what I say. AND to make matters worse she's hearing imparied. I just tell her to fuel up during the daytime. I also tell her that if anybody threatens you, you RUN their ass over and don't look back.

Funny thing though, I race for my other hobby and she's is just as good of a driver and has even better skills at situtational awareness during racing. Now if I could only get her to do that during normal stuff.
-bix
 
Too bad the kid just didn't hit the "cancel" key on the pump as soon as the perp took the nozzle away from him.
 
I agree with Kel Varnson...I think the easiest thing the kid could have done was shut the pump off and go inside, but pulling a gun and giving a cliche phrase like some others on here would work just as well:rolleyes:
 
Not to totally agree with EOTech, but simply put doesn't it make you a little angry? I understand this is armchair tactics and it may not go down that way.

Lets say in the situation of the teenager. I put my hand back onto the pump handle the BG in this case then tries to grab it from me, assault? . Ok, I let him have it and push the emergency button to stop the pump. Where do we go from here? If he is bigger then me and starts coming at me can I then take a self defense stance in hopes that the woman in the car is on the phone to the police?

In the end I don't really see this becoming a huge problem as I would hope there are cameras in most of these places. If so this teenager could go back and press charges. I would hope he does.

I would also hope that I could repel this attacker with anything within my means and not be faulted or arrested for it.
 
The problem with this statement EOTech

I'd have pulled out a gun and told the guy, "We're all out of unleaded, so unless you sit down on the ground and put your hands on your head, and refrain from moving until the nice deputies get here, you'll wind up topped off with lead."

If the guy runs are you going to shoot him?
 
If I saw that happen to someone else, I would probably call the police , but I would wait till the guy was gone, don't want to get involved.

Stuff like that never happens to me personally, but if it did I would just hit the "cancel" button and tell the guy to get a job. I can't stand people like that.
 
Hose him with gas, that's a good one. Something I'd probably only think about after the fact, but still a very good response. Pull a bic out of your pocket with the other hand and say, you got two choices now buddy, leave or burn...tick tock, tick tock. (That's assault though isn't it?) Sounds like something from a Dirty Harry movie.

Wife should have got a plate number and called the police. Sure, they may not do anything about it, but I bet you anything if they did not pick him up immediately, they would be putting his car on a APB.

Yes, could have been his older brother, but it doesn't sound like it. You don't cower at your older brother, you talk back to him and give him a load of crap in the process even though you may still end up paying for his fuel.
 
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All gas pumps have a big shiny red button on or near them that's labeled "Emergency Shutoff" (or something to that effect)

Keep in mind that if you hit it, you're likely going to have a more angry criminal to deal with, but if you hit it, then get in your car and leave he's not likely going to be able to do anything. (if you leave without paying, make sure you IMMEDIATELY call the police ... otherwise the store clerk is going to call the cops on you and you'll lose your license in most states for stealing gas).

In most jurisdictions you're going to be hard pressed to establish that a "reasonable person" would fear for their life in this situation and be able to justify shooting or igniting this schmuck.
 
i sure hope that kid didnt pay for the gas. i wouldnt. Should have gone in and told the attendant he was just robbed and that he is not paying for the gas that guy stole.

and i would have just flipped up the lever or hit the stop button. also most stations have fire extinguishers hanging next to the pumps. a blast of supercold CO2 or that nasty choking white powder would change his mind pretty quick.
 
If he runs would I shoot him? No, he hasn't done anything to justify being shot, if he tries to run. I'd just hope that he would be so freaked out by the gun, that he would stay still and wait for the police.



That kid is lucky it ended how it did, with the guy winding up just taking some gas. He could have shoved the kid into his car, made him withdraw money from the ATM, and then killed him execution style, dumping the body anywhere.

In this case, it seemed that the important thing happened, the kid made it through okay...

HOWEVER, now that the guy is feeling emboldened, and is happy he made scored some easy gasoline, what happens when he feels eager to get some helpless woman and force himself on her? Or what if he wants to get the ball rolling on a home invasion?

Experience tells me that these sort of creeps need to be opposed, EARLY on and VERY HARD.
 
many years back,down Savannah GA way,young lady set on at gas pump. she told him to back off,but he ran his mouth telling her what he was going to do with to her body. mom and pop store,no camers,no other people at that time during the day.
sprayed him with gas,pulled lighter and told him to leave,he did't. she lit him off when he moved at her. 2/3rd burns over most of body,but lived,played race card at trial, he lost at trial.
use to come by fire station I worked begging money. ever see what 2/3 burns do to human body,an't nice.
 
I bet if the police find the guy and checked on the guy, they'd find he has a long list of priors, most likely petty thefts, maybe a burglary, probably a history of drunk and disorderly conduct, larceny, passing bad checks, etc...

I doubt he'd have a record for things such as murder and armed robbery, but you never know...

My guess is that he is a petty thug, with a history of petty crimes, and he is moving his way on up, testing the waters so to speak... He is getting the feel for how things go when you directly confront somebody face-to-face, over something that is as mundane as gasoline... Next time he might move on to car-jacking or forcing somebody to withdraw hundreds of dollars from an ATM.


The woman freaked out and sort of blew it, since she should have at least called the police and/or taken down a license plate. I've had confrontations before and I've tried to get as much information as I possibly could.

I'm not going to go into exact details but I have used the THREAT of lethal force or strong hints of potential lethal force (even when I didn't have a gun on me, but rather had one close by) to avert a number of nasty confrontations that would have ended with my being seriously hurt, or to avert potentially deadly confrontations before they began to escalate...

My most famous was when I was 14 and I was in Chicago, and caused 2 thugs (possibly crips or bloods judging from their attire, I was only 14 and was somewhat scared, so I don't recall their exact clothing patterns/colors, I think they had red on, which would typically mean Bloods) just by reaching for my fanny pack while telling my mother "the heck with this, I'm getting my gun out"...

I'm going to discuss this situation, but that's about it... Just so folks can see the power of bluffing (with a combination of some sincerity and potential to follow through)...

I was 14 years old, in Chicago with my mother. I had a snub nosed .38 revolver that my father had bought for me... I was wearing a t-shirt which read GLOCK, I had on a fanny pack given to me by my mother, who had gotten it from a drug company, it read VICODIN, and I had a camo hunting hat on... I didn't have the gun on me, but I had the speed-loaders loaded and I left it in the back of her SUV.

We had been going around seeing some things, and we were thinking about going northwest into Illinois to some resort area or something, or to look for a hunting/gun supply store for me... I think we called a store just across the border and they said they really didn't sell anything to Illinois residents, and since my mother didn't have a FOID at this point in time, that sort of put a damper on things (I don't remember all the details since I was 14 and wasn't really paying attention or caring, since I had enough ammo for myself anyway, mostly, courtesy my home state)...

We decided to stop in a small grocery store and get some supplies to make our own lunches (after all the money we spent going places and having fun, we had to manage to find some savings somewhere), plus it was going to be a long drive back to her house...

While standing in line, two young black males, approximately 17-19 years of age, began to look at me, flexing their muscles, making fists, showing off the tattoos on their arms, and then making sexually lascivious gestures at my mother. One of them started to move a few steps towards me, at which time I stood up straight, said to my mother, "the hell with this, I'm getting out my gun" and let my right hand noticeably go towards my fanny pack, at which time both of them turned for the door and bolted from the store.

I suppose that the combination of my confident stance, my camo hat, my handgun t-shirt, and my fanny pack, made it seem plausible to believe I was carrying a gun... I was not... Said gun was in the rear of my mother's vehicle, and our rehearsed plan was that if trouble began, I would do my best to fend off attackers in hand-to-hand, or as I told her, "take a huge beating from whoever," while she rushed to get the revolver, load it, return to wherever I was, and save me from being stomped to death. Their first thought upon seeing me was that I was probably some easy mark, a 14 year old nerdy white boy with his overweight mother, obviously from out of town... Well the glock t-shirt, the fanny pack, the camo hat, and the confident way in which I carry myself, in which I walk, how I talk, and how I posture myself, made them think otherwise...

It was the most legal and plausible way to have a gun and have it somewhat useful without breaking possession laws, state CCW laws (Illinois being NO ISSUE, as we all know), and still have some measure of safety...

Personally, as a licensed adult, I'll carry anywhere I feel the need to carry, knowing that since I'm not going to cause trouble it won't be an issue... Aside from trying to carry into an airport or a government building, since those are major law issues and people would immediately find out... As far as it goes, my gun would only ever come out of my holster if I was in fear of imminent bodily harm or if I felt that no resistance short of that with a firearm, would be sufficient to deter or halt an attack or serious crime/wrong against my person or that of a close relative. I've stuck my neck out for strangers before, and I've just gotten burnt over it...

Unless it is readily obvious that what I am about to intervene in is a genuine assault/rape, rather than just a domestic quarrel (where I later see the woman right back with the guy two hours later), I am not going to involve myself in such a thing, ever again... I learnt my lesson there... As I said, I have a lot of stories, they're all true, you can believe them or not... I choose not to share them on a publicly viewable forum with people I hardly know...

I shared one, I hope somebody can find some useful in it...

Bluffing can work, particularly when you're not fully bluffing, since the plan was, while I used a pocket knife to fend off one or two attackers, or just took a beating from them, my mother would be slipping away and then bolting for her vehicle, and she'd be back within 60-120 seconds, with some .38 JHP solution to the problem.

If you're tough, you can avoid being picked as a target for attack, or you can present yourself such that attacks are aborted before they become outright physical.

Doormats just get walked all over...

It's my guess that on that day, those two thugs were either unarmed, armed with something less than a gun, or they had guns but didn't want to get into a shoot-out over whatever it was they were planning and about to attempt to do to my mother and I. Of course they could have drawn guns and opened fire on me, but if I hadn't tried to bluff them out, they very easily could have "escorted" my mother out of the store, dragged me along, and taken us anywhere and done whatever they wanted...

When your choices are limited, you have to go with what you think will end the situation in the most advantageous way. Doing nothing is an option, it's the default option. Indeed most people pick the default option, they do nothing... Then they wind up at the mercy of whoever is going after them. I've learnt that you can NEVER let the other guy have the initiative, you have to be the one who calls the shots (no pun intended). They have a plan in their mind about how things are going to go down, even if you don't have a gun and all you have is a 3.5 inch hunting knife, you have to make it obvious that whatever their plans are, they are not going to work and that you have surprises in store for them. Then you hope for the best... Sometimes that is all you can do.
 
Eotech that was hilarious. Was it intended to be? Seriously, a fanny pack??? A camo hat? Did you have velcro keds and zuba stripes pants on as well? You should get that thing published. Call it Napoleon dynamite 2.
 
I was "confronted" by a male/female team a few weeks ago. Approached me with a sad story. If his story were true, I regret not giving him a few bucks, but I've seen too many scammers lately. . .

I had just swiped my credit card and turned the pump on, as the male approached (the female hung back a distance). I really didn't feel threatened, but refuse to allow strangers to get too close, unchallenged.

I smiled politely, with the gas nozzle casually pointed in his direction, and advised him I had no money for him. He thanked me and retreated. No harm, no foul.

If I had either threatened him, produced my revolver, or insulted him in front of the female, i'd have invited either physical or LEO action. If he had charged, I'd have donated some expensive gasoline to his face. No flame necessary. It's difficult to function with gasoline in your eyes & nose.
 
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