Wikileaks shows Mexico isn't getting guns from US

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In an article published in Mexico, a newspaper dug into the infamous Wikileaks documents and found that many more weapons were coming incountry from Central America - much more than the U.S.

http://laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=14091&ArticleId=390473

In further testimony to Congress, General Douglas Fraser repeated the same information - that drug cartels are getting full auto weapons from other Central American governments, not by straw purchasers across the border.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=6577

Our national news media is flat out lying to you about guns in America being a major source of weapons. It never made sense anyway. Full auto weapons in the US are closely controlled, high priced, and require BATF approval of each and every transfer. They simply aren't being taken across the border, certainly not in the millions that can be had from Central America.

Second, there have been almost NO prosecutions of straw purchasers located on border states. ALL serial numbers sold are entered into a FLL book, if the gun is captured in Mexico, and the number given to the BATF, it can be traced by maker down to the FFL, and then the straw purchaser.

There are NOT thousands of buyers being caught selling guns to Cartels. They can get them from Central American governments more easily - in bulk shipments. Those guns are full auto, and likely sold on contract and imported legally - all approved by the US as military support. Those serial numbers aren't given to the BATF because the Mexican Police already know where they come from. It's a no brainer.

This is an international crime situation, not a straw buyer problem. Cartels are subverting the legitimate ownership of military weapons for their own use, just as they are doing in Mexico. That's the real story our news media isn't telling us, because they are deliberately spinning the story for their own political agenda.
 
The vast majority of guns used by the Mexican drug cartels come from south and central American countries, international arms smugglers and the Mexican army itself. No drug baron will pay a premium price for a semi auto gun brought in the US when he can buy a full auto model of the same gun at half price.
 
You mean the weapons used by illegal crime cartels in another country are not coming from the US, where we have farily high gun prices and government agencies that have some semblence of honesty (yeah...I know, but much less corrupt than South American governments).

Next you'll be telling me that the majority of drugs are not flowing South from the United States.....

What a novel concept, illegal guns are flowing from the same sources and in the same direction as other illegal contraband....like drugs.
 
I was just reading an article from a UK paper about how "AR-15 Machine Guns and grenades" are found in Mexico "from the US".

This is why the world needs Wikileaks.
 
This has been obvious from the start given the fact that the cartels have full auto rifles, grenade launchers and rockets. They are not getting these from U.S. gun shops.
 
Well with ammo prices going up (again) on the 1st of (insert month here) and excessive shipping charges by suppliers, I expect the druggies will soon price themselves out of business!

:banghead:
 
The problem isn't just our media it's the Mexican government as much as anything else feeding false information to the public and the Mexican and US media.

Mexico would rather claim that weapons are coming across their norther border from the US than to admit that they don't do enough (if anything) to prevent weapons from crossing their southern border from Central America.
 
Mexico would rather claim that weapons are coming across their norther border from the US than to admit that they don't do enough (if anything) to prevent weapons from crossing their southern border from Central America.

It is no doubt a money thing. The US talks about immigration restrictions and the Mexican government gets upset... Why do you think that is? Money! Have you ever looked at the requirements to "immigrate" to Mexico? It is all about money.... if we had the same requirements, there would be a problem. We do need a work visa for alliens/non-citizens.

Some good comes out of everything... even Wilkileaks.
 
Look up "Project Gunwalker".

A lot of the guns brought across from the US were actually smuggled by the BATFE themselves.
 
And the BATF is not releasing any documents.... you know... on going investigation which is probably a snow job.
 
I just hope that nobody is casting aspersions on the el Presidente of Mexico here, I mean he says it's our problem and none of his own. :cuss:

Well, that's true if the ATF is involved in the gun running. :banghead:
 
Typical news report! :banghead:

Indeed.

In Virginia, the Attorney General recently stated that concealed carry in churches for self defense was not against the law.

The local news channel went out and interviewed people to get their feelings on the matter. They probably interviewed 20 people and actually ran footage from 3 interviews. Guess what, not a single one of them was in favor of the Attorney General's statement.

Typical anti-gun ignorance.

One said, "violence doesn't belong in a place of worship"

Oh really? Where does it belong?

another said "I don't think you should be allowed to bring guns into a church, they don't belong there"

Oh really? You aren't allowed to drive while intoxicated either, yet people still do it. You aren't allowed to smoke marijuana in Virginia, yet people still do it.

Where was the interview of the logical person who says something along the lines of "If you keep law abiding citizens from carrying a gun into a church, then you will only have the people who care nothing about the law, and have ill intent carrying guns into church. Who will stop them when that happens, if all of those who value the laws and a moral society are unarmed?"

That is why it galls me when people say the right leaning AM stations need to give equal time to differing opinions. The left wing, anti-gun TV media doesn't give equal time to differing opinions.
 
I have been looking in on the Brady Campaign and I cant seem to find a reference to this anywhere over there. Weird huh.
 
Seems to me BATFE has become the anti-gun shadow operators, CIA wannabes working against us, abusing whatever loopholes that exist/are found in every effort to further criminalize the american population as a whole.
 
Operation "Fast and Furious", did show some of the shooters came from the USofA...

It was a test of sorts and BATFE is catching a lot of bad press right now, from NRA...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml

"We just knew it wasn't going to end well. There's just no way it could," Dodson said.

Bottom line is, more firearms come from, south of Mexico, than north IMHO:what:

But the north has a very informative media and does investigate :scrutiny:
 
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Hmmm, let's see here: we have extreme high capacity full-automatic weapons showing up in a country with very strict gun laws, where almost all guns are entirely illegal. In that same country of Mexico there's a very lucrative illicit drug trade, in drugs not produced in that country. Very powerful, influential & wealthy individuals run cartels to import the guns & the drugs. The drugs are not from a Mexican source, but from Communist South American sources & other Communist or Pro-Socialist country sources. These drugs are marketed in such a volume that steel ocean-going container loads are transported regularly, on schedules in a fully organized business.

Those same Communist drug-source countries just happen to have unlimited access to any and all fully automatic weapons in any quantity, used to control their people and for military defense. Because Communism as a government flat doesn't work and guts an economy, those same source Communist countries are forever in need of immediate cash infusions, gotten any way they can finagle. In addition their iron-fisted rulers have uncontrollable appetites for all the wealth and luxury they can get their slimy blood-dripping hands on. On top of that, the Mexican economy is so devastated that the corrupt politicians there derive the very large percentage of their income from those container loads of drugs being smuggled there.

From this any idiot can see that almost all illegal full-auto weapons are purchased in the USA from licensed FFL's and smuggled into Mexico across America's borders, right through Border Security inspections, hidden in the back of Chevrolet Caprices and Ford LTD's by lunatic fringe American right winger subversives. If we didn't have all these wacko rightwinger nutjobs trying to restore America to precisely what it was origninally intended to be we wouldn't have this huge problem! Simple.
 
Sure glad we have CNN and MSNBC to keep us all well informed.

All for-profit media is equally useless.

As long as profit is derived from ratings and advertisements, a news station will not provide balanced and factual information. It is far easier to get more viewers (and therefore, more money) by catering to a specific narrative and slant. And as long as advertisers provide revenue, the station will avoid airing material that can jeopardize the interest their advertisers have in being on the station/publication. Plain and simple, people would much rather hear what they want to hear than things that they don't, and TV networks would much rather make billions of dollars than provide a public service. I recall seeing an interview with Rupert Murdoch (owner of NewsCorp which is FOX) who said flat out that if he could make more money with a left leaning network than a right leaning one, he'd do so in a heartbeat.

Add to this the fact that all media in the US is owned by a small handful of 4-5 companies, and it becomes very apparent that all for-profit media sources are a complete joke. And so are the people who trust in them.
 
another said "I don't think you should be allowed to bring guns into a church, they don't belong there"

Oh really? You aren't allowed to drive while intoxicated either, yet people still do it. You aren't allowed to smoke marijuana in Virginia, yet people still do it.
How are carrying a gun, driving while intoxicated, and smoking marijuana even remotely comparable?
Hmmm, let's see here: we have extreme high capacity full-automatic weapons showing up in a country with very strict gun laws, where almost all guns are entirely illegal. In that same country of Mexico there's a very lucrative illicit drug trade, in drugs not produced in that country. Very powerful, influential & wealthy individuals run cartels to import the guns & the drugs. The drugs are not from a Mexican source, but from Communist South American sources & other Communist or Pro-Socialist country sources. These drugs are marketed in such a volume that steel ocean-going container loads are transported regularly, on schedules in a fully organized business.
Here's a thought. How do these drug cartels manage to be so wealthy when they have to maintain this distribution chain throughout an entire country? Where does all the money for bribes come from? How do they afford the shootouts with the government and each other?
 
Doubt the left will hold THIS wiki leak up as gospel, but it's certainly intersting and in line with what we know about Gunrunner.
 
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