Wild Boar dropped in its tracks at 137 y with a 30 carbine...BS or unethical hunter?

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I was looking at ammo review at Midwayusa and in some way or another I ended up reading this review for the Federal Power Shock SP 30 carbine...

Brian Black of Akron, OH

Date posted: 12/26/2008

I used this ammunition to hunt wild boars. Worked as any soft point round should. It made Mr. Porky take one step back and drop in his tracks at 137 yards thru my M1 carbine.
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So he claims that he dropped a Wild boar in his tracks at 137 yards....as far as I know wild boars are not very thin skinned animals....

This make me think....I heard everywhere that the 30 Carbine is considered inadequate for deer hunting and some states even banned the use for such purpose.

However in the past the 30 Carbine have harvested many deer with no problem...and a more anemic round, the glorious 44-40 WCF, probably has claimed almost as many deer as the iconic 30-30.

So do you think this review is bogus or BS?? The hunter is unethical?? Or the 30 Carbine, in reality, is still adequate for some hunting?? Is the underpowered label an exaggeration??

This article on the Box of truth seems to dispel the myth of the underpowered carbine rounds bouncing off frozen enemy clothing during the Korean war...

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot36.htm
 
Trying to determine the truth value of some random claim on the net is like pushing a rope. You're not gonna be able to do it, so why try? But bottom line, if it was a good & lucky CNS shot, then you bet. If not, then highly doubtful.
 
I once shot a hog in the neck at 100 yds, it did not quite drop in its tracks. But it didn't go more than 3 feet either. And that was a 7mm Magnum.

And yes, they are thick skinned and tough SOB's.
 
Depending on luck and exactly where you hit him, you could drop Godzilla with a .22LR.

While the .22 is not the preferred Godzilla round, it can work.
 
I cleanly killed a 240 lb. boar with 1 shot from a .22 mag. rifle. Hit a rib and he went down. Lucky shot - yes?
 
Depending on luck and exactly where you hit him, you could drop Godzilla with a .22LR.

While the .22 is not the preferred Godzilla round, it can work.
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Are you planning on crawling in his ear and beating him in the brain with the butt of your gun?



The review didn't say where the bullet hit. Head, neck, or along the spine, then sure I can see that. The review also didn't say the size of the boar. It could have been a juvenile. It may be unethical to plan on taking shots with with a .30 carbine on tough large game, but we don't know the conditions.
 
to many variables to determine. solid rest? size of hog? shooters experience? etc etc. and i am most sure that somebody can and will correct me at this if i am wrong, but isnt a 30 carbine fairly close to a 357 in terms of energy? if so then it isnt truly unethical, surely a bad choice, but not unethical
 
I actually own a .30 carbine and can hit hit 18 x 30 steel plate out to 300. I know how it shoots though. The way the battle sights are set on the .30 m1 carbine is dead on at the range he took that hog. Lucky things happen to unexpecting people though. It would need to be a cns hit to down that pig but it is possible.
 
but isnt a 30 carbine fairly close to a 357 in terms of energy?
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The "run of the mill" (Federal, Winchester, etc...) 357 Mag load out of a carbine has slightly more muzzle energy than a 30 carbine.
The classic 110 gr,. 30 carbine is at 960-980 ft/lb of ME, the 158 gr. 357 a bit over 1100 and in some cases close to 1200, the Federal 180 gr. is at 960 (but pushing a significantly heavier bullet).
Even the 158 gr. flat nose 357 bullets have slightly higher SD and BC than the round nose 110 gr. 30 cal bullet, so this means a bit better retained energy downrange and a bit more penetration.

Buffalo Bore publishes extremely higher velocity numbers for their .357 loads compared to other brands, I wonder how they can get that kind of performance without going over the pressure limit for the round.
 
I don't doubt the guy at all. that may be the only rifle he owns. He may shoot the damn thing every day and know just where it hits. He may be able to drill soup cans offhand at a hundred yards.

Then again it may have just been an ordinary fluke shot that happens to everyone if they shoot enough. The bullet may have hit the spine. After a hundred yards the bullet may have slowed enough to reduce any expansion and give deep penetration.

Plus it may have been a smaller, younger pig that wasn't a tough as a 500 pound "Lord of the Swamp Bottoms" pig.

There is a video of a guy killing a hog with a head shot using an air rifle with the new PBA pellets in 177 caliber. I think its on Pyramid Air's website.
 
I have killed wild hogs with a .30 carbine out to 100 yards or so. These were medium sized hogs that dressed out between 150 and 200 lbs. I also killed a couple with a blackhawk chambered in .30 carbine at 25 feet or so. Its not a bad round for what it is.
 
.38 +P 125grn WST shoulder shot did this guy in pretty fast. I would imagine a .30 carbine would be at least equivalent.


 
The guy was promoting the Federal soft point ammo.
My old Winchester made M-1 carbine shoots groups of 3 inches at 100 yards using military ammo, with the iron sights. So 137 yards is perfectly reasonable for good commerical ammo if his gun likes it, from an accuracy standpoint.

I have only shot dogs and marments with that caliber. Back when I was a village cop we had to shoot lots of feral dogs and rabid dogs. LOTS....

I tried using an M-1 carbine with ball ammo. It blasted right through big dogs that weighed 120 plus pounds. Some St Bernard had bred with 3/4 of the dogs around there for years.

The dogs ran off at high speed and had to be tracked down and shot with a real cartridge.
I then tried hollow point and soft point factory ammo. Instead of an exit hole the size of a dime, the new exit holes were the size of a quarter, Whoppie-doo. And the dang wounded dogs still ran off spreading deseased blood all over the village.

Oh by the way, 30 carbine ball ammo will go right through a 10 inch diameter house log.

I will never shoot another critter with the danged 30 carbine.
 
Would definetly work if you hit it right. If he is good with his carbine and the carbine is a decent shooter he could easily shoot it to 3 moa.. plenty accurate enough for 130 yards.

Did some quick calculations....

At 125 yards a 110 gr. .30 carbine is still going 1472 fps.. delivering 529 ft.lbs. of force... could easily kill a hog if it hit the vitals.
 
Thanks Beagle, it was about 30 feet away, we were downwind cutting through a swamp while goose hunting. It was really blustery so I think he didn't hear us. This guy was just rooting around completely oblivious to us, I had time to cock the hammer and take careful aim. I got him on the first shot and once more out of the 3 I fired at him on the run. He quartered towards us and went by. What was interesting is I could hear the distinct thwack of the hit vs the misses, like sound stopped short. That running shot passed through one hip and into the far side meat of the other. This was in marshy Coastal Texas.
 
Yeah I agree, not unethical. Hogs aren't the magical kevlar plated creatures that hunting lore makes them out to be. They are tough no doubt, yes they do have a gristle plate that you can knock on with your fist.....but they die from a bullet just like anything else.
 
Depends on the size of the hog. I would think the big boys would need something more powerful, but it should work on a smaller one.
 
Wild hogs are a pest animal. There is no such thing as unethical when it comes to them. That said not using enough gun on one borders on suicidal.
 
Yeah I agree, not unethical. Hogs aren't the magical kevlar plated creatures that hunting lore makes them out to be. They are tough no doubt, yes they do have a gristle plate that you can knock on with your fist.....but they die from a bullet just like anything else.
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It also depends upon the hog. If the guy was in Ohio, it was probably a feral hog, which is just a wild tame hog. They can be big and pretty tough, but are a far cry from Russian type hogs!
 
A scoped M1 Carbine with a Remington Soft point bullet will put a big hog down if YOU do your part!!! Some M1 Carbines shoot very accurately. It isn't the best choice..but not unethical IMHO!
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People like to focus on equipment because they think it will absolve them of skill.

There is no reason a trained rifleman couldn't do this; 137 yards isn't very far. This is "Rifle Country" after all. There is NO reason why anyone with basic knowledge of marksmanship couldn't drop to a sit, get into NPOA and make that shot on a standing or slow moving animal.

As for the Myths, proper 30 carbine ammunition has over 900 ft-lbs of kinetic energy; its not going to "bounce off of" anything.
 
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