Will a .30 carbine penetrate commie winter clothing?

[Shawn Dodson]

It is the standard material for backing body armor in tests, though. The purpose is to measure back face deformation if the round is stopped.

Your test method is invalid. Clay, as a backing material, makes it EASIER for a bullet to pass through soft body armor. Body armor that performs well when backed by clay performs better in actual shootings because the human body "gives" behind the armor which dissipates energy. Clay does not "give" like the human body.

Believe it or not, according to Duncan MacPherson, a pillow is a valid backing material.

Clay is a test for body armor performance not bullet performance.

 

[WestKentucky]

I know they aren't nearly the same, but 300blk and .30carb could easily be compared. I'm betting that's why we don't see many new designs for the 30carb.

 

[Onmilo]

would be using a .30 carbine in this day and age?

People who are weapon saavy.
Know ballistics and have access to a steady supply of ammunition.

If you understand the limitations of the .30 caliber Carbine you can make the gun more useful than ANY pistol caliber submachinegun.

 

[Onmilo]

I know they aren't nearly the same, but 300blk and .30carb could easily be compared. I'm betting that's why we don't see many new designs for the 30carb.

They are very similar concepts except the .300 BLK really shines when combined with a suppressor and I have yet to see one in a five pound weapon platform.

 

[krupparms]

The M1Carbine is a fine PDW. It is still popular in many parts of the world. It is in use in Israel & I believe they make some other weapons in .30 carb. there. It is a small ,light,compact & easy to use weapon. Combat accurate it is slightly less powerful than a 7.62×39mm. DON'T TRY TO LOAD IT TO +P LEVELS! Reloading can help & some of the loads on the market can get the job done.BUT DON'T USE LOADS THAT ARE TO HOT OR YOU WILL BE BUYING NEW PARTS! THIS IS A NICE GUN & VERY POPULAR AROUND THE WORLD! Still in widespread use in S.E.ASIA. This gun will be around for awhile. I would not be to unhappy to be issued one. It served this nation & several others very well for some years! Yes their are better guns out there. But the M1Carbine is still doing what it was supposed to do.

 

[Deltaboy1984]

It is my mom's favorite gun.

 

[Deaf Smith]

would be using a .30 carbine in this day and age?

Let's see, very light, short, high capacity rifle that outshoots any 9mm/.40/.45 ACP carbine.

Battle proven to boot. And with JHPs or SPs it delivers .357 magnum power out to 100 yards or so.

Inside houses it has no where near the blast a 5.56mm or 7.62x39 has.

Easy to use, easy for the wife and kids to use.. and with the lower sight-to-bore axis, you can make head shots with no hold under/over like a 5.56 or AK.

Kind of like a Mini-14 made smaller and lighter.

And that is just some of the reasons people in the know like the Carbine.

Deaf

 

[Swing]

It is in use in Israel & I believe they make some other weapons in .30 carb

Yup. The Magal.

 

[jrmiddleton425]

Were it not for an M1 carbine, issued to my late grandfather in 1952, I would not be alive to write this post. Grandpa also spoke highly of the 1911 and the M1 Garand. Turns out, a .45 is magic: it has this mysterious ability to make North Koreans speak English!

Bottom line, it doesn't matter what you're shooting with; to be able to kill what you're shooting at, you have to hit it first.

 

[MICHAEL T]

Originally Posted by Garrobo View Post
would be using a .30 carbine in this day and age?

Me for one Mine was made in 1944 and shipped to the Marines in pacific . Had had to replace the extractor a few years back. High maintance rifle

 

[rcmodel]

Originally Posted by Garrobo

Who would be using a .30 carbine in this day and age?

I can't believe anyone even said that!

rc

 

[cluttonfred]

Yup. The Magal.

The Magal had overheating issues and was withdrawn from service. Interestingly, one of the key ancestors of the H&K G3 and all the other roller-locked guns was actually a French gun chambered in .30 Carbine. Not the style I would want (think "Honey, I shrunk the Johnson M1941!" for the look I'd be going for) but neat nonetheless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEAM_Modèle_1950

 

[WestKentucky]

I kinda like the French gun. Like a HK G3 shrunk down to 10-22 size (and hopefully weight). I certainly would "test it for function"

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

Two late additions to this thread: I reload and there are soft point bullets available with a brass jacket on the base that expand very nicely. Second, I have shot through a pickup's tailgate from about thirty yards with my Ruger Blackhawk with a standard .30 carbine round. I think penetrating two layers of steel is probably harder to do than a wool coat.

 

[strambo]

They are very similar concepts except the .300 BLK really shines when combined with a suppressor and I have yet to see one in a five pound weapon platform.

I'm putting together a lightweight AR right now, it is looking like 5.7lbs including red dot sight/mount and with a 16" barrel. I'm not trying that hard, just shooting for sub-6lbs for about $850 with good quality and reliable parts.

With a little more effort, at/near 5lbs for a .300 BLK could be done for under $1k easy. All it would take is a lighter lower (I used a standard one), permed 14.5" barrel, perhaps a couple more boutique LW parts and BCM KMR rail.

 

[mac66]

I am a big fan of the M1 Carbine and love my '43 Winchester. However, for serious work both it and it's cartridge are obsolete compared to modern choices.

 

[lemaymiami]

I would have one in a heartbeat, if I could find a solid reliable shooter for a lot less than they're going for today. Since all my experience involves hunting two legged critters... I'd have it specifically for defense from a vehicle at pistol ranges (particularly with more than one target in front of me...). Make the ammo soft point and what more could you ask? It's a quick pointing, very maneuverable carbine with a 15 round standard capacity... What's not to like? The only drawback other than price (and finding one you could stake your life on....) is that these days the ammo isn't cheap any more, but is available without having to re-load...

 

[bainter1212]

My late father-in-law personally tested this theory one day in 1952. The result was three dead Chinese soldiers.

My grandfather as well....pretty sure it was more than three though. It was with an M2, for whatever that's worth.
No sense in arguing this myth again, there are still plenty of Korea vets around, including my grandfather. Might as well ask them personally.

 

[joem1945]

Perhaps O'bummer could make a deal to get Kim's bodyguards to take on ISIL. Ol'e Kim is spoiling for a fight.

 

[Tommygunn]

^^
This has to do with .30 carbine penetration ..... how?

 

[jimmyraythomason]

My grandfather as well....pretty sure it was more than three though. It was with an M2, for whatever that's worth.
No sense in arguing this myth again, there are still plenty of Korea vets around, including my grandfather. Might as well ask them personally.

Yes, my late
f-I-l had an M2. This particular event was when he was on guard duty and it was 3 against 1. His total "kills' for his multiple tours was much higher than 3. I did ask my F-I-L about this personally but, sadly, he passed away in 2011.

 

[mnrivrat]

My late friend Chub (RIP) said he loved his M2 carbine. He said he would start the burst at waste high RS and it would walk 4 or 5 rounds upward across the torso.
He never complained about effectiveness.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Lt. Col. John George, who wrote "Shots Fired in Anger", and was on Guadalcanal as well as in Burma as part of the 5307th (Merrill's Maurauders) thought the M1 carbine was an ace weapon of WW2. He shot his way out of Japanese ambushes with it.

Audie Murphy, most decorated soldier in WW2, said the carbine was his favorite weapon.

British Capt. C. Shore, author of "With British Snipers to the Reich", found a Winchester made M1 Carbine in a ditch at Normandy, yes during the invasion, and used it as his personal rifle in the rest of the war. He to favored it.

Do note, all three were expert shots, two of them rifle competitors before the war.

The carbine is capable of excellent 100 yard accuracy but being so light you have to have very good trigger control.

But still, none of them complained about stopping power.

Deaf

 

[CLP]

In Soviet Russia, commie winter clothing penetrate you.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

I hope the other end of that jeep trail has a No Trespassing sign

Mike