Will We Lose Access to Cheap Russian Ammo?

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There was a news story on one of the St. Louis stations last night that said "Dumbo" had signed yet another EO to ban further imports of Wolf and Tula ammo. Nothing was said as to caliber, just brands.
Without a source, the info is meaningless. I have yet to hear of such an EO, which I think would be big news in the shooting world if it were to actually happen.




Russia is only doing what we would do if such scenario happens in our own backyard....

I don't think so myself. Putin said he was acting on behalf of "ethnic Russians" in Crimea with the annexation. For that to happen in our backyard, it would be like Mexico invading California or Texas based on concern for the "ethnic Mexicans" that have settled there in large numbers......at least, this is how I understand things. I don't see Putin's move as any different that that of Hitler invading neighboring countries based on concern for ethnic Germans.
 
I havent bought any of that NR crap in a decade. I also an not finding any more 7.62x39 or 7.62 x54R brass either. You would think that it would show up once it is fired. I only have 500 7.62x39 loaded and a bit more then 100 7.62x54R but they are not my primary rifles so I guess I will just have to pick up what I can find without getting hosed.
 
Well I won't be buying a Mosin now it seems. Too many hoarders out there who will be jumping on the guns and ammo. I think I'll just sit on my heels and pickup .223 and .308 when I can find a good deal.
 
Russia was not the only country that produced cheap ammo or exports surplus ammo. Given their human rights violations, I have been uneasy sending my hard earned cash over there. In recent years I have seen surplus ammo for rifles I shoot from Bulgaria, Romania and others. I picked up some great circle 10 Bulgarian surplus last year. It is as good if not better than the Russian surplus ammo I have used and far superior to any of the WOLF, TULA, Herters or any of the "Bear" offerings. As far as new manufactured ammo, Red Army Standard makes new ammo in Romania. They are the first that came to mind. There are others. Chances are that most of you shoot that cheap Russian ammo through a Romanian rifle. I know you Saiga guys love your rifles, but you can get the same thing if not better than the Saigas from Bulgaria. I know that owning a rifle produced in Izhmash or Tula is just a special kind of cool, but I would put my Bulgarian rifle up against any Russian rifle. The "cheap" AKM's will still roll in from Romania. This is speculation, but we might even see some more offerings from FEG in Hungary, Radom in Poland, Circle 10 in Bulgaria or others to make up for the void. I was hoping to see a Draganov type rifle come in eventually, but that seemed unlikely even if Russia hadn't pulled this stunt.

My concern is with the surplus firearms market. We just started to see some really good Russian surplus showing up including M91/30 PU rifles, and unfired standard Mosin rifles. The captured pieces held in Russia from Germany are often heavily scrubbed and of little interest to me personally, but I was looking forward to picking up another sniper rifle.
 
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Is the current Administration well known to never let a crisis go to waste? Therefore, if it can be finagled, then shutting down firearms imports can and should be considered quite possible.

A few years back such a thing was considered highly unlikely, and saying it could happen generally mocked by the majority. Cheap Russian would be pouring in forever.

Yeah, sure.

It's a foreign import, we have no control over the source, and world events can and will impact the supply. After the Tsunami, you couldn't get red auto paint because most was ground and mixed in a Japanese plant which had to shut down. That and other suppliers put the hurt to worldwide supplies for auto parts, and the entire industry was affected in some degree.

Anyone who says this won't have any affect isn't seeing how bad news creates a panic among the suburban consumers who overreact and go on zombie marches with credit cards in hand buying up everything at retail to get theirs. And to heck with anyone else.

If you hitched your wagon to cheap import blasting ammo being made half the world away, you are now in the same boat as those of us who bought into the turnover of .308 as the smaller battle rifles were issued. At one time you could get it, .30-06, .45ACP, and others from storage bunkers being emptied for pennies on the round. BUT - it did come to an end as the last bunker was opened. Like a coal seam in Kentucky, it doesn't last forever.

Time to consider your options if things do get more difficult in supply, this party couldn't go on forever. Change will come around and you can either accept it and make new decisions or get left behind. Just like the DCM - some day they will sell the last Garand, and then, there won't be anything left to sell.
 
It's a foreign import, we have no control over the source, and world events can and will impact the supply.

That is the reason I bought a 5.56 AK instead of a 5.45 or 7.62. You can also shoot the M855 "green tip" and similar rounds and even get match bullets. The 7.62 domestic ammo is a little easier to find than domestic 5.45, but at this time, by and large domestic 5.56 is cheaper than those other domestic offerings. Reloading is also easier. I do own a true Mosin PU, but I purchased it more as a collectable and to shoot the vintage sniper matches. It is easier on brass than Kalashnikovs, so I don't cringe when I have to purchase brass for it from Norma. The first Mosin I purchased was in 1998 and the surplus dried up for a short time. The only offering I could find at that time was Norma and that ammo was $35 a box. Things are better and you can get components, but they sure aren't as easy to find as 5.56 and cheap military brass abounds for reloading in 5.56. Brass 7.62 x 39 and similar in 5.45? Not so much.
 
Well, gunbot shows no more .21 cent rounds available as of this morning. What's left is quite expensive - as much as they sell these at Gander Mountain! GM sells them 440 rounds for $130.

I guess people did panic.
 
Yeah, not really a surprise...

That sucks - I was going to buy another case as I'm getting low, but I surely don't feel like overpaying for it.
 
Was there every any real doubt that panic would set in? Gun owners are their own worst enemy (well, besides the govt, of course).


...as I said in my first reply, the previous ammo/firearm shortages were not created by Obummer or the Brandy Bunch, but by gun owners panicking outta unfounded fear. Like the old Ry Cooder tune...."I got mine", folks fly out and buy all they can and then wonder why the price has skyrocketed and the supply has vanished. They come here and ask "what the 'ell is the government doing with all that .22 ammo?" and then go to Craig's List and buy some from the guy that sits and waits for the truck at Wal-mart.
 
ahtoxa: I'm trying to figure out which type of Russian round you checked on "Gunbot" (.223?).

This moment, 7.62x39 has multiple sellers at .22/rd., with the many distributors stating "available" in green lettering. The only 7.62x39 ammo I saw weeks ago at .21/rd. was corrosive.

5.45 is still widely available at .15-.17/rd. So where is this "run on Russian ammo" people are talking about? In must be in a few gunshops.
Five days ago, the manager of "Guns And Ammo" in Memphis TN told me that he had many cases of 7.62x39.

Nobody was buying any of it, or the rumours when I was there, and nobody else was looking at the several (Russian) Saiga rifles or AK clones.

Certain sellers will always be on most gun websites trying to fan the flame$ for their retail, or Armslist inventory.
 
I was referring to 7.62x54R. The only retailer listed at .21c per round is already sold out. They are also contributing to the issue, by stating on their website (when you click on the gunbot link to it) that they are about the raise the price on this ammo and are urging people to stock up.

I checked my regular supplier for the surp 7.62x54R and he doesn't have any in stock, either.

It used to be no issue getting it for $99. Now, to those panicking, $130 at GM doesn't sound so bad after all.
 
ahtoxa

With the 7.62x54R I wasn't too concerned that they'd stop making it. The Russians are still using it in the PKM. But there was always the threat that something could cut off all that cheap ammo. I thought it would be some kind of anti-gun legislation or EO, but it turns out its diplomatic issues.
It seems that now you should grab some brass cased ammo while you can. Maybe you can lay hands on a few boxes of Privi Partizan brass case or something just to have the brass. Should get you through until things stabilize.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=40&name=7.62x54R

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/235?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/44...l-metal-jacket-box-of-20?cm_vc=ProductFinding

Hope some of this is still in stock by the time you read this.
 
The last time I bought a couple of spam cans of 7.62x39 it was under $90 per 600.
Just yesterday I thought I'd see about another can or two, OH BOY talk about sticker shocks. $229 for 600 Red Army Romanian. And that was their last can.
 
Just a note on 7.62×54Rmm Ammunition. The MN rifles along with the PKM /GPMG are some of the most widely distributed firearms in the world! They have been included in almost every aid package given out by Russia, Cuba, & all the former Warsaw pact nation. Along with billions of rounds! Check the figures in 'The World Arms ' or the internet. There will be alot of surplus from other nations. Let's just hope they find a way to import it to the U.S.! I do think it's a good idea to look ahead to what is coming & the changes it will bring! And to get what you can before you can't get it anymore. Hopefully the U.S. ammunition companies will load some of the more popular rounds. They are already loading a few. Someone could make alot of money filling that need.
 
Hopefully the U.S. ammunition companies will load some of the more popular rounds. Someone could make alot of money filling that need.
Considering the ammo companies cannot begin to keep up with current demand, expanding their offerings probably isn't a major concern at this point, nor are they hurting financially with today's demand for ammo. It does, however, possibly create an opportunity for an upstart company to produce these rounds. Wouldn't cheap steel-cased US ammo be a nice option? I have no idea how realistic such an idea is, but just throwing around possibilites
 
ahtoxa

With the 7.62x54R I wasn't too concerned that they'd stop making it. The Russians are still using it in the PKM. But there was always the threat that something could cut off all that cheap ammo. I thought it would be some kind of anti-gun legislation or EO, but it turns out its diplomatic issues.
It seems that now you should grab some brass cased ammo while you can. Maybe you can lay hands on a few boxes of Privi Partizan brass case or something just to have the brass. Should get you through until things stabilize.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=40&name=7.62x54R

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/category/categoryId/235?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/44...l-metal-jacket-box-of-20?cm_vc=ProductFinding

Hope some of this is still in stock by the time you read this.

Good post, goon. Problem is, I don't reload, so brass does me little.
 
Some of you guys don't seem to differentiate (very often) between describing whether ammo prices -or sold out inventories- were seen at a few specific gun shops, or you are referring to the much lower prices at distributors.

Many of us might cruise (no transponder, no ACARS) through four gun websites during hotel overnights, even at home.

Davek1977: But even with no trans-oceanic shipping, how much more would the marketing studies, tooling, rent, property tax and higher labor cost for US companies?
 
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I still don't understand why we don't have the Russian MP-443 Grach and Gsh-18 pistols here.
 
"Red Army Standard" is I believe manufactured in the Ukraine, so I don't see how cutting off its import would help us support them. Now if a shooting war broke out there would likely be none to export, but so far the Ukrainian military has just rolled over and went home.
 
I still don't understand why we don't have the Russian MP-443 Grach and Gsh-18 pistols here.

There is a list of Russian firearms that are allowable to be imported into the US. They aren't on it.

http://tcc.export.gov/Trade_Agreements/All_Trade_Agreements/exp_005371.asp

Additional items were added in 2004.
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2004/05/052004-openletter-ffl-importers-russia-reclassified.html

Also, this is germane to our current situation: http://www.justice.gov/olc/arms02.htm
 
Sounds like a good time to get that set of *39 or *54r dies, and dig out that brass you've been hoarding.

I'm gueesing the Rocky Mountain Reloadings' .312 bullets might not be a bad investment !


OR, you might perchance use this time to become aquainted with a maker of your choice ammunition who is within the USA.

As a small aside, I do dind it mildly ironic that our current admin is being labeled as socialist/communist, but when the cheap "commie" ammo even hints at drying up, everbodies' undies get quite, QUITE twisted. Think about that one for a minute.
 
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