Clipper
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OK, as an absolute, will you or won't you boycott microstamped pistols?
Will YOU boycott microstamped pistols?
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LSCurrier
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I will NOT buy microstamped pistols!!
Just like I will NOT buy a S&W with a "wart" - I mean a lock!!
Luke
Just like I will NOT buy a S&W with a "wart" - I mean a lock!!
Luke
Sleeping Dog
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I could SAY that I'd boycott, but ...
I said the same about S&W and the lock. Then I got a deal on a little used 642 ...
So much for my resolve
I said the same about S&W and the lock. Then I got a deal on a little used 642 ...
So much for my resolve
DMK
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This is just going to make handguns that much more expensive. Pre-microstamped handguns will command an additional premium and then of course new guns will be more expensive due to the added technology.
Again, the gun buyer gets screwed either way.
Again, the gun buyer gets screwed either way.
Picknlittle
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Maybe I'm missing something. I see microstamping as a moot action anyway. A waste of time, money and resources.
If I understand correctly, modern forensics and ballistics can already match a bullet and casing to a particular gun. Granted this isn't a serial number, but more of a fingerprint.
Still, knowing what casing came from which gun isn't all that helpful unless the bullet is matched forensically to the gun and the gun placed in a particular hand at trigger pulling time.
All I see microstamping accomplishing is raising the cost of manufacturing, through retooling, resulting in a more expensive firearm.
There are far too many good used guns out there for me to get all worked up about this.
I think the law probably has as much to do with inflating cost as anything else.
If I understand correctly, modern forensics and ballistics can already match a bullet and casing to a particular gun. Granted this isn't a serial number, but more of a fingerprint.
Still, knowing what casing came from which gun isn't all that helpful unless the bullet is matched forensically to the gun and the gun placed in a particular hand at trigger pulling time.
All I see microstamping accomplishing is raising the cost of manufacturing, through retooling, resulting in a more expensive firearm.
There are far too many good used guns out there for me to get all worked up about this.
I think the law probably has as much to do with inflating cost as anything else.
mjrodney
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This is just another twist on gun control measures.
By raising the manufacturing and record keeping costs, you raise the retail price on handguns in the PRK and you minimize handgun ownership by price alone.
Smaller manufacturers will likely be unable or unwilling to comply with the rules, and they just might not sell in the PRK.
Offshore manufacturers who have larger global markets to tend to will minimize their penetration in the PRK, as well.
A consumer boycott would only help their real cause.
I hope the manufacturers see this for what it really is, and I hope that they react by taking this one to the Courts.
I can easily envision a number of legal challenges to this law that should be able to either delay its implementation or eliminate it entirely.
By raising the manufacturing and record keeping costs, you raise the retail price on handguns in the PRK and you minimize handgun ownership by price alone.
Smaller manufacturers will likely be unable or unwilling to comply with the rules, and they just might not sell in the PRK.
Offshore manufacturers who have larger global markets to tend to will minimize their penetration in the PRK, as well.
A consumer boycott would only help their real cause.
I hope the manufacturers see this for what it really is, and I hope that they react by taking this one to the Courts.
I can easily envision a number of legal challenges to this law that should be able to either delay its implementation or eliminate it entirely.
Hot brass
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New parts.
Blackfork
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Lines in the sand
The antis and bureaucrats have learned that they can draw a line in the sand and gun owners, because of their respect for civil law and general conservativeness, will try to go along with it. There will be some outrage and sand kicked around but in the end the bureaucrats know we will knuckle under.
So the elephant gets eaten or the frog gets boiled.
Every day there is a choice between rebellion and slavery, and so far, everyone pretty OK with slavery.
The antis and bureaucrats have learned that they can draw a line in the sand and gun owners, because of their respect for civil law and general conservativeness, will try to go along with it. There will be some outrage and sand kicked around but in the end the bureaucrats know we will knuckle under.
So the elephant gets eaten or the frog gets boiled.
Every day there is a choice between rebellion and slavery, and so far, everyone pretty OK with slavery.
All gun manufacturers just need to stop selling all firearms to california police departments. If that's the way the government wants to play gun manufacturers aren't helpless. Barret did it and if all manufacturers did it, they would be far more successful in combating this than any kind of lawsuit.
Standing Wolf
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I don't buy guns with locks or magazine disconnectors.
Robert Hairless
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I will refuse to allow anyone to shoot me with a microstamped pistol.
Does anyone else think that the reason for this law and others is to discourage individuals from purchasing handguns?
Does anyone else think that the reason for this law and others is to discourage individuals from purchasing handguns?
DrBoomBoom
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Robert,
I think it's that, plus I suspect that the folks who have developed and patented the microstamp technology are big Dem contributors.
I think it's that, plus I suspect that the folks who have developed and patented the microstamp technology are big Dem contributors.
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The sky is falling!!!!Microstamps=The End!!!
I'll buy them,and any other firearm that is legal for me to do so.I already own CA model Seecamps,a neutered Saiga .223,plenty of ban-era magazines and 2 S&W's with locks - they all work just fine which is all I'm concerned about.
I'll buy them,and any other firearm that is legal for me to do so.I already own CA model Seecamps,a neutered Saiga .223,plenty of ban-era magazines and 2 S&W's with locks - they all work just fine which is all I'm concerned about.
lanternlad1
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None of my guns have built in locks, and none of them will have microstamps. I live Texas, not California, dammit.
cslinger
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My take on this is the following.
As far as safety devices, locks, etc. I can live with those.
As far as my firearm throwing brass around that could easily be scooped up and dropped at a crime scene to point back to me.........NFW!! Not gonna happen.
I am a VERY law abiding gun owner, to the point of being anal retentive as far as some things go. I will not risk getting pulled into a legal argument because some scumbag dropped my brass at a crime scene.
This is another example of a bad law, that will do nothing to prevent or solve crime. Want to solve crime, scrap all these stupid fingerprinting, stamping etc. laws that cost MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars and spend that money to put cops on the street, put detectives on the job. The cops on the beat will prevent crime by being visible and the detectives in the suits will solve the crimes already committed. That is how you mitigate crime. That and following through with strict sentencing for REAL criminals. I could care less if you get caught with a few joints, or were caught joy riding in a stolen car. You get caught assaulting, attempting to murder, rape or any other violent crime not related to self defense then your arse should be grass.
I know I am preaching to the choir I just get sick of all this feel good useless legislation which is designed to be sold to the ignorant as a crime fighting measure but is meant only to harass legal gun owners in the culture war we face. I, as much as anybody else, want to mitigate crime and save lives....heck probably more so because of my gun ownership.
All I have to say is
:banghead::banghead:
I feel better now.
As far as safety devices, locks, etc. I can live with those.
As far as my firearm throwing brass around that could easily be scooped up and dropped at a crime scene to point back to me.........NFW!! Not gonna happen.
I am a VERY law abiding gun owner, to the point of being anal retentive as far as some things go. I will not risk getting pulled into a legal argument because some scumbag dropped my brass at a crime scene.
This is another example of a bad law, that will do nothing to prevent or solve crime. Want to solve crime, scrap all these stupid fingerprinting, stamping etc. laws that cost MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars and spend that money to put cops on the street, put detectives on the job. The cops on the beat will prevent crime by being visible and the detectives in the suits will solve the crimes already committed. That is how you mitigate crime. That and following through with strict sentencing for REAL criminals. I could care less if you get caught with a few joints, or were caught joy riding in a stolen car. You get caught assaulting, attempting to murder, rape or any other violent crime not related to self defense then your arse should be grass.
I know I am preaching to the choir I just get sick of all this feel good useless legislation which is designed to be sold to the ignorant as a crime fighting measure but is meant only to harass legal gun owners in the culture war we face. I, as much as anybody else, want to mitigate crime and save lives....heck probably more so because of my gun ownership.
All I have to say is
:banghead::banghead: I feel better now.
Robert Hairless
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I think so too.
Sometimes it seems wisest to remember the old advice about how to avoid turning a bad situation into a complete disaster: "Don't just do something, stand there." Or, as The Gambler said, "You got to know when to hold them and know when to fold them."
Schwarzenegger, Kennedy, and the other anti gun folks would be delighted if gun owners helped them hurt the gun industry. I don't know why gun owners think it will help them if they do it, but there's so much I don't understand about how some gun owners think. It wouldn't surprise me if they turn this mess into some devious plot by the gun manufacturers to manipulate Californians.
Thain
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I will absolutly avoid buying a microstamped handgun; I am not worried about the hypothetical criminal with the foresight to steal and plant my brass, I am however very worried about the safety of putting cracks into the firing pin.
Call me crazy, I mean I'm no engineer, but it seems to me that putting an engraving (cracks) into the business end of a tiny peice of metal that is going to be ramming other peices of metal at high speed thousands of times per year is just a bad idea.
Safety features that are introduced by the manufacturers' as a voluntariy change to the product, I've got no beef with. Locks, magazine disconects, loaded chamber indicators, quadrupal mega-jumbo-safety systems, and a spary on undercoat to protect the leather seats... Whatever. Some of it I'll buy and even look for in a gun, some of it I'll pass up as the marketing scheme it is.
But microstamping is anathema to me, a) because it is being created by government manadate, b) it seems potentially dangerous, and c) doesn't work.
The libertarian in me hates the government mandate. I don't own a motorcycle, but if I did, I would wear a helmet. However, Michigan's mandatory helmet law annoys the heck out of me.
I like the idea of trigger locks and what-have-you, for safe storage and transport (and small theft deterent)... But it annoys me that Michigan law mandates the sale of a lock with each new handgun.
I can put up with the $5 lock, but there is no way I'd ever put up with microstamping.
Rant endeth.
Call me crazy, I mean I'm no engineer, but it seems to me that putting an engraving (cracks) into the business end of a tiny peice of metal that is going to be ramming other peices of metal at high speed thousands of times per year is just a bad idea.
Safety features that are introduced by the manufacturers' as a voluntariy change to the product, I've got no beef with. Locks, magazine disconects, loaded chamber indicators, quadrupal mega-jumbo-safety systems, and a spary on undercoat to protect the leather seats... Whatever. Some of it I'll buy and even look for in a gun, some of it I'll pass up as the marketing scheme it is.
But microstamping is anathema to me, a) because it is being created by government manadate, b) it seems potentially dangerous, and c) doesn't work.
The libertarian in me hates the government mandate. I don't own a motorcycle, but if I did, I would wear a helmet. However, Michigan's mandatory helmet law annoys the heck out of me.
I like the idea of trigger locks and what-have-you, for safe storage and transport (and small theft deterent)... But it annoys me that Michigan law mandates the sale of a lock with each new handgun.
I can put up with the $5 lock, but there is no way I'd ever put up with microstamping.
Rant endeth.
NOTE TO MANUFACTURERS!!!
I WILL NOT PURCHASE A MICROSTAMPED GUN!!!
Clear enough for you?
If you make a microstamped gun you will not be selling it to me, an AVID gun purchaser. Boycott California and I will make it a point to help you pick-up sales elsewhere. Business seems pretty good for Barrett.
I WILL NOT PURCHASE A MICROSTAMPED GUN!!!
Clear enough for you?
If you make a microstamped gun you will not be selling it to me, an AVID gun purchaser. Boycott California and I will make it a point to help you pick-up sales elsewhere. Business seems pretty good for Barrett.
Amish_Bill
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heck - I might just have to buy one -- if and only if I could find a way to sell my once fired marked brass to CA residents... not really picky if they intended to reload or just to sprinkle around. ;-)
Scorpiusdeus
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I'll just do like everyone else including the criminals. I'll buy the guns I want now and avoid the MS guns. Criminals will just steal more guns before the MS guns are released.
SoCalShooter
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Plan on it. Plan on purchasing as many as I can before it comes to the day of reckoning and then I plan to move away from this state.
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