Win. model 94

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Win '94 ftw. Congrats! 50 Sho0ter!

Question for Mr. Eick: can the receiver peeps on two of your carbines pictured above be installed keeping the saddle ring? If so, which brand are those? I've seen them before, but forget the name...

Thanks!


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They are both Williams 5D's as I remember. Williams gun sight company of Michigan makes them. I had to have my 9422 drilled for them but all of the other ones just screwed on.

Now regarding the saddle ring. When I look at mine, it should fit but I think the saddle ring will hit the sight occasionally. I see that as a cosmetic issue and would not worry about it. The sights are really tough.


As pointed out below, mine are click adjustable and not the 5D's. So much for memory. Mine are the Foolproof type. I will leave the posting "as is" since Swampwolf references it but I was wrong.
 
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They are both Williams 5D's as I remember.

For those that may not know, the only real difference between the Williams 5D model and their pricier "FoolProof" model, is the lack of micrometer adjustments on the 5D. This is not a big deal if you don't shoot much or change loads often. I have FoolProof receiver sights mounted on several rifles along with one 5D model. And I'm old enough to have purchased the 5D for five bucks-the original retail price (ergo 5D) for this sight.
 
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Sincere thanks to both of you for your replies. I'm on the hunt for one (or the other. hee!)

I had been pondering on the Lyman-style peep, but didn't know if it's mounting further aft would interfere with carrying the gun. Perhaps not when folded... dunno.

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How fast are the sights getting on a target Vs. standard sights? I like the ability to have better sights on the rifle but I wouldn't want to have to take more time aquiring the target.
 
I think they are much faster to get an accurate first shot off. I switched over to them after my M1 Garand and M-14 Experience. Once you learn to look through them and just ignore the rear sight, you just snap the rifle to your shoulder and look at the front sight. I find it much easier and faster since I am lining up only one thing, the front sight blade on target.
 
I picked up some brass for reloading and in the bag was a .32 Win special piece of brass. It looked like a piece of .30-30 brass, anyone know if you can make .30-30 out of these?

Most people are generally turning 30/30 into the rarer 32 Win Special. Haha. They're basically the same case with different throat expansion, so I imagine it would be possible to turn 30/30 into 32 Win Special but I've never tried it myself. My '94 is in 32 Winchester Special, so I only ever go the other way.
 
She's here! What a beauty, looks like its brand new off the shelf!

I'll get some pics taken and post them up, you guys are gonna like this piece of art. I can't wait to shoot it now, might have to hit the range again this weekend.
 
Congrats.
Anyone who considers himself a Rifleman has gotta have at least one Win 94 ;) Sweet carrying. Quick handling.

Enjoy your new rifle.
 
The 38-55 is the parent case for the 32 Special, the 30-30, the 25-35 and the 219 Zipper. Great rounds all.

The Model 70 Winchester is a great bolt, extremely popular. Don't know the exact numbers, but they made about seven times as many 94s as the 70 though.

Great rifle.
 
You have a 38 year old unfired rifle. I know I am in the minority, but I would NEVER shoot it.

Go to Gunbroker and take a look at some older rifles that have never been fired and compare their prices to like rifles that have been fired. If you need a goos example look at Savage 99. In 15 more years you will have a rifle worth three or four times what it will be worth if you shoot it.

If you want to shoot a 94, buy one that has been shot.


Congrats on the find. Awesome gun.
 
I used a 94 for a number of years---left it out of the safe about 25 years ago---it got water from a pipe & really missed it up--I sold it & went to a 6 MM rem in Rem 700
I wish I had kept some of the reloading equip. as last month my sister gave me a Marlin 336c used for one hunting trip--I always liked the old 30-30 cartridge & now I am back in business---loaded 200 rds in the last 2/3 weeks
 
I don't know, it would be hard to have a gun and not shoot it. It's not like its a valuable collectable, its not a pre 64 or a signed copy. If it was a certain collectable I think I would have a hard time shooting it but its just an off the shelf rifle that at least a few thousand or more were made in just that year.

I doubt it will get more than a few hundred rounds a year thru it and that would be on a good year. So its not like it will be shot out in a year or two, maybe in 50 or so.
 
Actually it is easy. One of my 94's is just a backup. I bought it near NIB (out of the box but never fired) and it just sits. My other open sighted one gets shot or the peep sighted one. My third is just a spare so it will probably never get shot in my lifetime.
 
I agree its easy. I do it all of the time. I never shoot the vast majority of my guns. And I think you are discounting the possibility of that gun having a lot of value a little too much. I assure you that gun will bring in a significant amount of money in the near future if not right now. Unless you shoot it. Then it is exactly what you describe.

Il tell you what, I will make you a deal. I will trade you a similar era Winchester 94 in 90+ percent condition plus, say, $200 for that gun.

Say no to the trade. But get my point. :)
 
Man, you guys are killing me! You don't know how bad I want to shoot this rifle! Now I have to think about throwing it in the back of the safe and forgetting about it...
 
Man, you guys are killing me! You don't know how bad I want to shoot this rifle! Now I have to think about throwing it in the back of the safe and forgetting about it...


Take it out and shoot it, clean it, take it deer hunting, take care of it, and leave it to your heirs to worry about value.

The Winchester 94 is/was arguably the most popular hunting rifle for most of the 20th century. To date, they've produced appoximately 7 million of them and the bulk of that (about 4.4 million) was produced after 1964. They are still in production by the way.

Your rifle was one of almost 130,000 produced in 1976. Of that 130K, 19,999 were Bicentennial models, most of which probably remain unfired today. My Bicentennial is still in box which is inside the factory shipping carton and after 38 years its value hasn't even kept up with inflation.

Maybe--just maybe if you had the original box, paperwork, hang tags, sales receipt, and proof that the gun had never been fired, in about 30 or 40 years, it might just be worth something to your grandson.

In the meantime it will be going to waste in your safe. I have four 94's and excluding the Bicentennial, I shoot them all--even my 1915 SRC that's close to 80% condition.

Oh, and to the poster who offered $200 plus a 90% gun for your 100% gun, jump on it. The latest edition (35th) of the blue book of gun values---lists a standard Winchester model 94 carbine in 30-30 caliber produced between 1964and 2006 in 100% condition at $425 while one at 90% is valued at $350.

That's only $75 difference---not $200. The main point here is that we are not talking big money to start with

100% generally means NIB, and they don't list a 100% condition unless there are enough in the market place to assign such a grade. The prices quoted in the book are just guidelines, but they are still slightly better than nothing.

Don't put much faith in the prices that dealers ask for used firearms on internet auction sites or gun shows. They are trying to make a buck, and will generally ask 30% to 100% over blue book value and conversely, if they are buying, they will offer you 30 to 50% less than blue book. They do this because there is always somebody out there with more money than knowledge.

Personally, I think you got a very good price on a great little lever gun, but since it's not particularly rare or nor is it a museum piece, go out and have some fun with it while you are able. Remember, you can't shoot it from the grave.

Cheers
 
FO, thanks as that was my thinking on the rifle. I can see both sides of the coin when it comes to the rifle but not shooting it is almost a sin to me. Guns were made to shoot and you reinforced my thinking about the rifle.

I've got ammo, brass, dies and will be looking for bullets, primers and powder. This rifle is going to hit the range and get some shooting done. I want to enjoy it and my son already said he wants to shoot it so what better then to bring it out and have some fun shooting with my boy.
 
Good price for a rifle made to shoot. Take forward observer's advice and go shoot it. Take care of it and pass it down. You won't enjoy it in your safe.

I found a pristine Win 94 carbine made in 1942 - granted it wasn't unfired, but it's in superb shape. I thought $500 was a great deal, so I think you did good. Shoot it and enjoy. That's my opinion.
 
We need pictures of those 94's or it didn't happen! :D

Here's the 1915 saddle ring carbine that I found in a pawn shop back in the mid 1990's. They were asking $140 because they assured me it was pre-64.

The six digit serial number, ladder rear sight, and iron butt plate told me it was probably pre WW I, but I got them down to $100 anyway. I paid up and ran out of the door laughing like I had just won the lottery. The bore is mint.

I've taken a couple of deer with it, but only occasionally take it to the range now since it's about to turn 100 next year. I've got a newer angle eject for hunting.
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And here's that Bicentennial that I can't shoot for fear of ruining the value---pretty much a waste of a good rifle, but I was young and foolish at the time.
I had to unpack it recently for inspection, so I took a picture.
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Cheers
 
Want pictures? Ok. I don't want to get off track from the original thread though. The OP has a nice rifle at a good price!

Here are 2 pics of my 1942 .30WCF that I found a year ago at a gun show. Great shape, good shooter. Blue is excellent, with the only exception being the barrel band. I paid $500 because I wanted it, and it hadn't been all buggered up.

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... and a close-up of the receiver...

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