Winchester 1200s a winnig pair?

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I have two Winchester 1200 in 12ga. One is a 28in Field gun with a fixed Mod choke. Manf 1970. The other is a 20in Riot in 12ga. Manf 1968. It is a Full choke. Both are in 95% condition. I love them.
The riot is loaded and by my bed. The Field is what I take Pheasant hunting. Any one shoot the 1200? What you think of them?
 
My dad had a 28" 16ga w/ modified choke Ted Williams/1200 that was his rabbit & pheasant gun that put quite a bit of meat on the table. First gun I ever shot and it became mine after my dad died when I was 8. Though it has an emotional connection it's never been a gun I shot well and I didn't really care for it. I gave it to my youngest brother who was actually born 2 weeks after our dad's death. It seemed appropriate and it means a lot to him.

ETA: That 20" full choke sounds like a dandy & also pretty unusual having that much choke in such a short barrel, especially given the era when it was produced.
 
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I have a 1974 20ga I bought with paper route money, I believe $125. 28" modified choke, vent rib. Gun has served me well but hasn't seen much use after I picked up a Win Model 12 16ga in 1976, $65 used with a case and 4 boxes of shells.
 
I bought one new in 1968 (well my Dad bought it with money I earned during the summer) It functioned fine for about three seasons. Then it started shearing the screw that held the bolt assembly together. I couldn't get it to last an entire season after that. I sold it and bought a Remington 1100 and never looked back. My opinion of them is pretty poor.
 
They have a poor track record. Anytime someone attempts to report factual info on a shotgun with less than a glowing history, everyone who has one feels slighted and duty bound to jump to it's defense with a "Mine is great" response. The fact is that 200 good ones still doesn't change 50, or 100, or however many bad ones there were per thousand. If you do not already own one, the odds favor NOT getting some guns.
 
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They have a poor track record. Anytime someone attempts to report factual info on a shotgun with less than a glowing history, everyone who has one feels slighted and duty bound to jump to it's defense with a "Mine is great" response. The fact is that 200 good ones still doesn't change 50, or 100, or however many bad ones there were per thousand. If you do not already own one, the odds favor NOT getting some guns.

You almost sound, well, slighted. NO ONE has reported any actual facts in this thread, other than anecdotal opinion. My gosh man, we are adults here, if you have actual statistical evidence, aka the truth, please post it with links and pictures. We can handle the truth.
 
NO ONE has reported any actual facts in this thread
I beg to differ. The shearing of the bolt assembly screw.(see post 5) Which required a trip to the gunsmith to have the old one extracted is an Actual Fact! By the time I sold it, I had almost as much money into it in repairs, as I did to buy it new!
 
My apologies. I did see that - I guess I was thinking statistical evidence that all these guns are duds. Is this a common and frequent across all these models?
 
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How in the world is someone supposed to get "facts and statistics" on just how many guns required gunsmithing work, or warranty repairs? That's not info that is make publicly available. It's not like the New York Times is going to do a front cover investigation on just how many Win 1200's needed repair.
 
There are no statistics. The gun companies do not release any info. My facts are I had enough experience with problems when I was selling guns that I would no longer order a 1400 or a 1200 for someone. I did not say they were all bad, I was trying to convey that if one was was considering buying one to keep in mind that your odds of problems were far higher than with other choices. Besides that bolt screw mentioned above, they broke the plastic feed throats and something else that eludes me at the moment.
There is no reason to redesign a pump action that works and is reliable. You don't have the desire to run clean longer, reduce perceived recoil, or increase load flexibility issues to advertise to increase try to increase sales like one does with a semi auto. The 870 and the 500 have been virtually unchanged for over half a century. The Winchester 1200 was short lived, followed by the 1300, which morphed into the Speed Pump, and now has morphed again into the Turkish built SXP. There is a reason for that.
 
Virginian, the Browning A-5 was built for 96 years as I recall and no major revisions.

The Ithaca Model 37 has been built for 78 years and is still in production.

Browning and Ithaca did not try to cut corners in the way their guns were built,

Steel and walnut.
 
But, as soon as the technology advanced, the A5 was dead, and the Ithaca has died two or three times, so far. Some people get all misty eyed over how a gun is made, but most, like me, care more that it works reliably and is affordable. I do care how it looks, also. Remington issued in the new era of firearms design with the 11-48. They had truly interchangeable parts that did not require gunsmith fitting, simplified actions, and utilized stamped steel parts where appropriate. It reduced the costs of manufacturing, and other makers were quick to follow suit. Mossberg was probably the most successful of those at that time. Winchester went too far with their cost saving measures and had to backtrack, but they alienated a bunch of the former fans so bad it eventually helped the whole company go away. Browning went thru several false starts with semi autos until they finally found some good designs to replace the A5, but replace it they did, out of necessity. For a long time the Browning was the only reliable semi auto design, but that distinction went away. Ithaca only enjoys a very small market because most people will not pay what it takes to build one with their design, especially for a pump. Their forays into semi autos failed. Due to limited cash flow their more recent efforts to expand the line seem to have stalled. Browning brought out the BPS, a more robust and cheaper design and siphoned off some of the market that loves bottom ejection, even though the BPS is somewhat heavy.
If you look at any of the newer repeater designs you will find they all have more in common with an 11-48 than an A5 or a 37. If you are not in business to make money, pretty soon you may not be in business at all.
 
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